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It should have been one of the happiest days of his life. But Jim McCants looks back on his youngest son's high school graduation with mixed emotions. As he sat down next to his wife Cathleen in the university auditorium, just outside Dallas, Texas, she turned to look at him.

"She said 'Do you feel OK?'" Jim recalls. "I said, 'Yeah I feel fine, why?' 'Your face is yellow, your eyes are yellow, you look terrible.' When I looked in the mirror it was shocking."

It was shocking partly because Jim, then 50, had been working on improving his lifestyle and losing weight, focusing on eating more healthily and taking regular exercise.

"My dad had a heart attack at aged 59 and he did not make it," says Jim. "There's a lot that he missed out on with us and I was determined to do what I can to take care of myself as best I can, so that I don't miss out."

But soon after his son's graduation, Jim was admitted to hospital with a suspected liver injury.

Trying to identify the cause of Jim's liver injury, those treating him ruled out alcohol.

"For the last 30 years I drank maybe a six-pack of beer a year, no wine. So alcohol was not a big part of my life," Jim says.

They also ruled out prescription drugs - he wasn't taking any at the time - and smoking, something he had never done.

"Then my hepatologist drilled in to, 'What about any over-the-counter supplements?'" says Jim.

As part of his mid-life health kick, Jim had started taking a green tea supplement because he had heard it might have cardiac benefits. These supplements have grown in popularity in recent years, often breathlessly promoted online for their antioxidant benefits, and their supposed ability to aid weight loss and prevent cancer.

"I felt fine then," remembers Jim, who lives in Prosper, north of Dallas. "I was walking or running 30-to-60 minutes, five or six days a week." He was working as a finance manager but hoped to retrain as a physician's assistant. "I was taking two or three classes at a time at nights and at weekends," he recalls.

He had been taking the green tea supplement for two to three months when he became ill. According to Jim's medical record this is the presumed cause of his liver injury. "It was shocking because I'd only heard about the benefits," remembers Jim. "I'd not heard about any problems."

After his admission to hospital, Jim went into a "holding pattern", waiting for the results of a series of blood tests to establish the seriousness of his liver injury. Then, about three weeks after his wife had first noticed he looked ill, one of his liver doctors delivered the news he had been fearing: "She said you need a liver transplant. This has to happen fast. You have days - you don't have a week."


Jim was stunned.

"I was thinking this looks very bleak for me. It really crystallises what's important in life. I wasn't there thinking about projects at work. I was thinking of different people that were important to me for different reasons."

What is it about green tea supplements that might cause harm at certain doses to some people? Scientists do not know for certain. Because green tea has been drunk for thousands of years, supplements consisting of its concentrated form are regulated in the US and Europe as foods, not medicines. That means that specific safety testing has not been required, so the scientific picture of how green tea supplements might affect our health is incomplete.

"If you are drinking modest amounts of green tea you're very safe," says Prof Herbert Bonkovsky, director of liver services at Wake Forest University School of Medicine in North Carolina, who has been tracking injuries linked to green tea supplements for nearly 20 years. "The greater risk comes in people who are taking these more concentrated extracts."

Concern has focused on a potentially toxic ingredient called Epigallocatechin-3-gallate or EGCG, the most abundant of the naturally occurring compounds with antioxidant properties in green tea, called catechins. There are likely to be a number of factors that might make an individual susceptible to harm from EGCG including genetics, and the way supplements are used.


"Usually people are taking these green tea extracts trying to lose weight, so they're often not eating," Dr Bonkovsky explains. "We know from animal studies that fasted animals absorb a much higher percentage of the catechins than do fat animals. There may well be other factors of other drugs, other chemicals, use of alcohol that are also important as modifying factors."

Antioxidants
Antioxidants are a group of vitamins and other compounds that for many have taken on miraculous properties, helping to drive the global market for supplements of all kinds, now worth more than £100bn per year.

Antioxidants ward off "free radicals", molecules produced in our cells as they turn oxygen and food into energy. Just as oxygen and water corrode iron, too many free radicals can damage our cells.

In the 1950s, Prof Denham Harman theorised that free radicals drove the process by which the body ages and could lead to disease.

But some scientists now believe that free radicals at certain levels may be beneficial for human health, and argue that the orthodox view of the last half century that antioxidants are an unalloyed good is outdated.

While millions of people take green tea supplements safely, at least 80 cases of liver injury linked to green tea supplements have been reported around the world, ranging from lassitude and jaundice to cases requiring liver transplants. Those harmed after taking green tea pills have included teenagers, like 17-year-old Madeline Papineau from Ontario, Canada who developed liver and kidney injury, and an 81-year-old woman diagnosed with toxic acute hepatitis.

A recent investigation by the European Food Safety Authority into the safety of green tea concluded that catechins from green tea drinks are "generally safe", but when taken as supplements catechin doses at or above 800mg per day "may pose health concerns". The EFSA could not identify a safe dose on the basis of available data and called for more research to be carried out.

The day after Jim was told he needed a liver transplant, amazingly he was told a suitable liver had been found. "I was elated. The phone call that there was a match gave me hope that there would be something positive on the other side of this for me," he says.

The liver transplant saved Jim's life. But four years later he still has serious health problems including kidney disease that may require dialysis and a transplant in the future. He sees his liver and kidney doctors twice a year, and lives with chronic abdominal pain.

"My life before was pretty active. And now it's much more sedentary and I struggle with fatigue," he says.

It's a "tremendous blessing", as he puts it, that his managers allow him to work from home. "I may need a lie down for 20 or 30 minutes during the day. I'm able to just let my manager know I'm going offline, I'll be back."

Jim is pursuing a lawsuit against the American firm Vitacost, which sold the green tea supplement he took. "I'm hoping that they make the decision to put a very strong warning label on the product, on the website, let people know before they buy it," he says.

Vitacost did not want to comment on the legal case, but said: "We take the safety of our Vitacost brand supplements very seriously and stand behind the quality of our products."

Four years on, Jim reflects on how his life and that of his family changed after he took a green tea supplement.

"I didn't expect harm. I expected that I might waste my money, I may take these and they don't do a bit of good. I can accept that risk," he says. "But the risk that it could cause my liver to fail, that's a risk that's too high for somebody to take."
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Summary: a man who regularly exercised, had no history of alcoholism, drug or substance abuse damaged his liver and needed a transplant.

2-3 months of taking green tea supplements were supposedly enough to inflict that much damage.

This parallels recent injuries and deaths occurring as a result of excessive caffeine in energy drinks.
 

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God thing that I don't take green tea supplements right now then and I will try to avoid them from here on out.
 

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God thing that I don't take green tea supplements right now then and I will try to avoid them from here on out.
There has been a recent trend of MMA fighters drinking green tea to help with weight cuts. They say when they're cutting weight and dehydrated it can dehydrated their intestines which constipates. Drinking green tea is supposed to make it easier to poop. Its kind of like a natural laxative in addition to its other benefits.

High amounts of caffeine in energy drinks are also literally killing ppl. Mostly young ppl.
 

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Ever wonder why some brands make tea bags out of plastic.

Years and years ago, many supplements were DNA and chemical analysis tested. Found to contain ingredients other than what they advertised.
 

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Its a bit different from Yoel.

Some supplements don't contain ingredients written on the bottle label:

Massive herbal-supplement scam uncovered: Walmart, Target, GNC accused of selling bogus products
An investigation by the NY attorney general found many contain cheap fillers like houseplant and powdered rice

n Monday, New York State's Attorney General Eric Schneiderman instructed Target, GNC, Walgreens and Walmart to immediately cease selling a number of scam herbal supplements. An investigation revealed that best-selling supplements not only didn't work, but were potentially dangerous, with four out of five of the products not even listing any herbs in their ingredients--instead, the supplements contained fillers including powdered rice, houseplants and asparagus. Fraudulent products include echinacea, ginseng, St. John's wort, garlic, ginkgo biloba and saw palmetto.

In total, only 21 percent of store brand herbal supplements contained plants listed on the labels.

"Mislabeling, contamination and false advertising are illegal," said Schneiderman. "They also pose unacceptable risks to New York families -- especially those with allergies to hidden ingredients."

These drugs are not subject to the F.D.A.'s approval because of a loophole in a 1994 federal law (spearheaded by Utah Sen. Orrin G. Hatch who received funding from supplement makers), fraudulent products can easily reach consumers without accountability or oversight.







Its surprising how many aren't aware this happened.
 

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Then the question becomes whether those companies were complacent in their selling of the products or if they got the wool pulled over their eyes like the customers did. If that's the case, those brands will probably go after the manufacturers of said products.
 

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Then the question becomes whether those companies were complacent in their selling of the products or if they got the wool pulled over their eyes like the customers did. If that's the case, those brands will probably go after the manufacturers of said products.

Here is a 3rd option for you.

These drugs are not subject to the F.D.A.'s approval because of a loophole in a 1994 federal law (spearheaded by Utah Sen. Orrin G. Hatch who received funding from supplement makers), fraudulent products can easily reach consumers without accountability or oversight.
 

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One might say the loophole was intentionally opened.

For the same reasons US travellers to europe can eat more and lose weight, in contrast to their american diet.
 

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Yeah because they walk around a bit more in Europe and they don't eat as many processed foods in Europe. Also the loophole may have been intentionally left open but that doesn't make it right. It should be closed because it is downright wrong.
 

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Well believe or not the slippery slope has resulted in the trans movement leading to pedophiles claiming they aren't just a different gender but a different age which justifies they're being what is now called a "Minor Attracted Person". That is just plainly scary and even members of the gay community are appalled about this.
 

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Well believe or not the slippery slope has resulted in the trans movement leading to pedophiles claiming they aren't just a different gender but a different age which justifies they're being what is now called a "Minor Attracted Person". That is just plainly scary and even members of the gay community are appalled about this.

  • Unregulated health supplements
  • Low quality food, destructive to human health
  • Redefining pedophiles to "minor attracted persons"
What do these 3 things have in common?

They're all attack vectors illustrating the secret war being waged against americans and the united states.

That might sound conspiracy theoryish but I feel almost 100% normal typing it considering the crazy things I see people posting on social media.

"Masks don't work. Masks aren't effective in preventing corona." Crazy.
 
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