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LOS ANGELES – Georges St-Pierre is grappling with UFC fans' expectations.

St-Pierre, one of MMA's most popular stars and a six-time UFC welterweight champion, said he's frustrated with the reaction to his most recent victory over Dan Hardy at UFC 111.

But the champion is more than willing to meet head-on the critics who say he plays it safe.

"That's true," St-Pierre (20-2 MMA, 15-2 UFC) told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) on Monday evening as he honed his mat moves with jiu-jitsu coach Shawn Williams at a Renzo Gracie Academy school in the Mid-Wilshire district. "I fight safe, and I'm not going to hide it."

St-Pierre, 29, dominated Hardy over five rounds with an impressive display of wrestling that earned him a unanimous decision and fourth consecutive title defense. Former champion Matt Hughes holds the record for consecutive title defenses at welterweight with five.

St-Pierre nearly submitted the challenger on several occasions during the March 27 fight, which took place at Prudential Center in New Jersey. Although he pitched a shutout, the champion is "mad" with himself because he couldn't seal the deal.

"I had some great opportunities, and I made a stupid mistake, and I couldn't seal the deal," St-Pierre said.

But the champ also takes issue with fans who say he wrestles to avoid a real fight.

"I did add some great highlights that people don't even acknowledge," St-Pierre said. "At the end of the third round, for example, the best grappling highlight of my whole career was in (my fight with) Dan Hardy."

The highlight, he said, was when he took Hardy's back, transitioned to a legock and passed guard, all in quick succession.

"That was a beautiful display of jiu-jitsu," St-Pierre said. "People don't even know this because they don't have the knowledge to appreciate what happened. Some do, but a lot of people did not acknowledge what happened."

While St-Pierre is not the only fighter who's lamented an appreciation gap between casual and educated fans in MMA's current growth cycle, he is perhaps the most famous fighter to draw criticism for his style.

The champion has dominated his opponents since he reclaimed the title from Matt Serra at UFC 83, and he's mostly done so with superior skills on the mat. Many fans have wondered if St-Pierre – like the UFC's embattled middleweight champion, Anderson Silva – would benefit from moving up a weight class.

At the box office, St-Pierre is an unqualified draw. The promotion has raked in an estimated 3.9 million pay-per-view buys from the four cards on which he fought, according to industry sources, though the figures are not independently verified. St-Pierre is the only MMA fighter to be represented by Creative Artists Agency, a "big-three" entertainment management firm with an exclusive list of high-profile celebrities. The relationship recently landed him an ad campaign for Gatorade with other mainstream sports athletes.

St-Pierre said a recent calender in which he appears that was catered toward his female fans netted him "a year's worth" of "passive income."

Many have questioned, though, whether the French-Canadian fighter can maintain his fan base with grappling-heavy performances.

St-Pierre said he understands his duty to entertain but expressed dismay at the blame he took for the slow pace of the Hardy fight.

"I watched a fight the another day when (Ronaldo) 'Jacare' (Souza) fought Joey Villasenor," St-Pierre said. "The fight was on the floor almost the entire fight, and [Jacare] couldn't seal the deal, and Jacare is known as the best jiu-jitsu guy on the planet, almost. They don't blame him, but they blame me."

Always the optimist, St-Pierre said he uses criticism to turn in a better performance next time around. He refused, however, to change his style to accommodate fans who want to see him brawl.

"I'm fighting safe," St-Pierre admitted. "Every time I step into the octagon, my life is in jeopardy. For me, it's more important to not get hit than to hit the guy. I will never fight in a way [in which] I fight like I flip a coin.

"I never took risks. The only fight I took a risk was when I fought Matt Serra, and I went in a stupid exchange, and it was not smart. I got caught; Serra beat me fair and square, and he deserved the victory that night. But it taught me a good lesson, and I don't want it to happen again."

St-Pierre said playing it safe also applies to his stand-up skills in a fight.

"When I'm standing up, I hit the guy, (and) I pick my angle, and I'm smart," he said. "I'm not afraid to say it: I'm not a brawler, and I'm not a coward. I'm not going to trade punch one-for-one with a guy. I'm going to hit the guy and not get hit. That's a smart way to fight."

The champion said he's seen many examples of fighters who don't fight smart and have paid the price.

"I'm not going to give names, but if I would tell you names, you would know who's a brawler (and) who's not and who now has a problem with his career because he got hit too much," St-Pierre said. "They can't take a punch anymore."

Next up for St-Pierre is a fifth title defense against Josh Koscheck, whom he defeated nearly three years ago by unanimous decision. The two will soon head to Las Vegas to coach opposing teams on "The Ultimate Fighter 12."

St-Pierre said he wants to knock the fuzzy-haired fighter "out cold," but he won't do so at the expense of his smarts.

"I don't fight like an idiot," St-Pierre said. "That's what defines me. I'm (not the) champion because I'm the strongest guy in the division. It's not because I'm the fastest guy. I'm not the best grappler. I'm not the best striker. I'm not the best wrestler. But why I'm champion is because I fight smart every single fight.

"It's like F-1; you need a good driver and a good car. If you have a very good driver but a bad driver, you're not going to win the race. If you have a very good driver and a bad car, you're not going to win, either. So I have a good car and a good driver, which is even more important."
wow, proof from the man himself that he doesn't take any chances and just uses his wrestling. OMG am i wishing for kos to win this fight now......no, no im not. GSP for the safe and hopefully superman punch filled win!!!

edit:lol a friend of mine suggested i tag this "gsp is a coward!" or "gsp knows he lays and prays!". while provocative, i don't really think that's appropriate but still lol, that's a good way to get attention.
 

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Fighting safe makes sense. He just needs to finish fights. I don't think he'd get as much grief if he finished Hardy with either of those submissions. I'd like to see more of his standup though.

Forrest Griffin is deffinately a guy that has benefited from fighting safe and picking his spots instead of just brawling the whole time.
 

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im just surprised he would admit to not taking the chance and he specifically talks about the serra fight, which was the point where he began to use more wrestling and less standup. I still hope he stands and knocks kos out, but after reading that i think it becomes that much more doubtful.
 

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the better safe than sorry thing only makes sense if you are worried and take the precations to placate your fears. why would gsp be afraid of hardy and his hyped up standup? he did say he liked to hit and not get hit, but its not impossible to do that while standing up right? all i know is this can only add feul to the fire if he chooses to try and work kos for five rounds on the ground.
 

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I DID appreciate that beautiful display of JJ in the Hardy fight. However, GSP knows his fans would appreciate seeing him bust out his Kyokushin style, or any type of standup striking, more. Or at all.

GSP 'as a calendar? WHERE WHERE WHERE?!?!?
 

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I DID appreciate that beautiful display of JJ in the Hardy fight. However, GSP knows his fans would appreciate seeing him bust out his Kyokushin style, or any type of standup striking, more. Or at all.

GSP 'as a calendar? WHERE WHERE WHERE?!?!?
LOL the moment I read that I immediately thought of you.
 

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I agree with what he says. Why would you go in there and do something that could cost you the fight. Yea I would rather see some more ass kicking instead of him just out wrestling everyone, but he goes there to win, and you can't hate him because of that.
 

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Well said GSP. He deserves a lot of praise in my books for just owning the fact that he won't take a chance in a fight. And frankly why on earth should he?

I would never say GSP is just about lay and pray. He try's to finish fights and though it dosn't always happen for him he dominates his fight. He is very versitile on the mat and I find it interresting to see him there with his opponent.

He is a great champion and if he's comfortable on the mat then he'll take it to the mat. Critics who don't like it can always turn to K1 or boxing. Meanwhile this is still the UFC and I am always looking forward to see GSP fight.
 

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I agree with what he says. Why would you go in there and do something that could cost you the fight. Yea I would rather see some more ass kicking instead of him just out wrestling everyone, but he goes there to win, and you can't hate him because of that.
you'd be very surprised to find out that people do seem to hate him because of that. As for the calender i have no clue-maybe gsp should send kos a copy so that he can count down the days to that beating hes gonna take. I want gsp to throw a legal knee and see kos try and bambozzle (always wanted to say that) a point deduction.:thumb02:

not that i want to derail the topic for more kos talk but still......
 

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you'd be very surprised to find out that people do seem to hate him because of that. As for the calender i have no clue-maybe gsp should send kos a copy so that he can count down the days to that beating hes gonna take. I want gsp to throw a legal knee and see kos try and bambozzle (always wanted to say that) a point deduction.:thumb02:

not that i want to derail the topic for more kos talk but still......
well... I know people hate him because of that... but I don't. I understand why people think he's boring, and I felt like his last fight was a snore myself, but he's winning.
 

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The problem I have with this silly thread (as if any of it is news) is that it blindly snowballs everyone into thinking that GSP's fights are boring or that he is a boring fighter. I personally thought that both title defenses against Fitch and Alves were electrifying. Kudos to Fitch for getting up after several devastating kicks and srikes. As for Alves, his faced looked pretty smashed up after his fight because GSP was so incredibly more quick. As for the Hardy fight, that was just a simple display of someone getting a title shot who had no business in there. I just couldn;t agree more with GSP in that there simply is no reason to go into an MMA fight with the idea to stand and brawl. This sport sees belts changin hands at almost every event a belt is on the line due to someone connecting with that huge strike - why would a true champion put himself in that position.
 

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The problem I have with this silly thread (as if any of it is news) is that it blindly snowballs everyone into thinking that GSP's fights are boring or that he is a boring fighter. I personally thought that both title defenses against Fitch and Alves were electrifying. Kudos to Fitch for getting up after several devastating kicks and srikes. As for Alves, his faced looked pretty smashed up after his fight because GSP was so incredibly more quick. As for the Hardy fight, that was just a simple display of someone getting a title shot who had no business in there. I just couldn;t agree more with GSP in that there simply is no reason to go into an MMA fight with the idea to stand and brawl. This sport sees belts changin hands at almost every event a belt is on the line due to someone connecting with that huge strike - why would a true champion put himself in that position.
the problem i have with your stupid post is that you try and randomly make points that nobody has refuted. i never said he was a boring fighter but kudos for failing. i could have gone plenty of ways with this but im gonna take the (somewhat high road) good job being so wrong about this silly thread:thumb02:..........on second thought, just leave and not post in this silly thread.



you must admit, if gsp lays on kos and looks for subs unsucessfully you will be dissapointed. i want nothing less than a head kick ko on par of him vs hughs.
 

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I understand that some like the toe to toe battles, which I am a fan of to, but think of it like all professional sports teams do in preparing for a game they look at film and disect the other team looking for weaknesses and their strenghts then devise a game plan. How many times have we said after a fight, what was he thinking about or why did he do that, he had a poor game plan going into the fight. I think its becoming clear that the ground game is the biggest part a GOOD fighter needs. In other professional sports a team will find a weak spot in the other team and pound it until they seal up that weak spot and then go to the next weak spot. George doesnt lay n prey he has a great ground game. He is always moving looking for some ground n pound or a submission.
 

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I don't think GSP is a boring fighter at all. So he had a lackluster fight against Hardy. The guy dominated him...PERIOD. The guy is a smart fighter. What fighter likes getting hit? Brawlers have short careers and pretty much ends up looking ugly from all the cuts and punches that they've taken throughout their career.
 

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So it's official that he's not fighting to win, but fighting not to lose? I don't really know what to think of that. It's definitely a turn off. :confused02:
well... technically it is his job to DEFEND his title... so it's the job of the contenders to bring it to him, and put him in dangerous situations so he has to take those risks. He is there to win and keep the title.... that's what he's doing. Not losing is the champs job....
 

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So it's official that he's not fighting to win, but fighting not to lose? I don't really know what to think of that. It's definitely a turn off. :confused02:
Fighting safe is not the same thing as fighting not to lose. Taking a chance would be to stand with Alves or Hardy while knowing that they could catch you, but they really have such a minimal chance to win on the ground. GSP is one of the most intelligent fighters in the game.

I actually enjoy every fight I see him in. I think it is absolutely mind blowing that he can take anyone down whenever he wants to, and then completely control them for as long as he wants. To think that he is so far ahead of everyone else is jut insane. I appreciate his wrestling and ground game just like I appreciate the striking ability of Anderson Silva or the BJJ skills of Demian Maia.
 
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