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It's hard for me to admit this, and after a long night of drinking, I've realized that my thoughts of certain fighters have drastically changed. After watching BJ Penn for the last few fights and his interviews, I've come to realize that this is not the same BJ Penn I've come to hate, and rightfully so I did. Instead, I see a humble BJ Penn, not one that feels to show the arrogance to call out certain fighters to which he would have no chance against because of his built. I have come to realize this guy is one of the best p4p fighters in the world and when he actually gets his act together, he's a likable guy. Example, this fight with Frankie Edgar. Edger is just a cool, chill guy that likes to fight. BJ isn't giving this crap about killing him in the octagon or calling out Brock Lesnar in the process. He realizes Edgars threat and treats it like a threat. That I like. I'm starting to appreciate BJ Penn a bit more. Good job, BJ.

As far as GSP goes, I can't help to find that the more I see him fight, the more respect I lose from him. I loved the old GSP. Why? Because he was a gentleman, a classy guy that whooped that ass in the process. He's still a gentleman, but in reality, he doesn't "whoop that ass." He use the minimum ability of his talents, then tries to dignify it by complaining about his performance after the fight. GSP, there's no need to complain about your performance. You did EXACTLY what you intended to do. Grind out your opponent, use superior wrestling because obviously no one in the WW division can outwrestle you, and get by the bare minimum. Atleast a guy like BJ Penn has the balls to use all his talents to try in his best attempt to finish a guy, like a p4p candidate that he is. GSP, I appreciate your humbleness, but I don't appreciate your attempted bullshit by complaining about your performances. I'm sorry, but if a well rounded talent such as a Fedor, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, fought the equivilent talent of a Dan Hardy, that fight is finished..and is finished in dominating fashion. Yeah, you dominated Hardy, but kept him in the game for 25 minutes, and nor was he the least bit gassed.

Anyone wants to tell I'm bias, f-you. For once was I a BJ Penn hater...and again rightfully so, and at once was I full GSP supporter. I go by what I see, and this is what I see.
 

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It's hard for me to admit this, and after a long night of drinking, I've realized that my thoughts of certain fighters have drastically changed. After watching BJ Penn for the last few fights and his interviews, I've come to realize that this is not the same BJ Penn I've come to hate, and rightfully so I did. Instead, I see a humble BJ Penn, not one that feels to show the arrogance to call out certain fighters to which he would have no chance against because of his built. I have come to realize this guy is one of the best p4p fighters in the world and when he actually gets his act together, he's a likable guy. Example, this fight with Frankie Edgar. Edger is just a cool, chill guy that likes to fight. BJ isn't giving this crap about killing him in the octagon or calling out Brock Lesnar in the process. He realizes Edgars threat and treats it like a threat. That I like. I'm starting to appreciate BJ Penn a bit more. Good job, BJ.

As far as GSP goes, I can't help to find that the more I see him fight, the more respect I lose from him. I loved the old GSP. Why? Because he was a gentleman, a classy guy that whooped that ass in the process. He's still a gentleman, but in reality, he doesn't "whoop that ass." He use the minimum ability of his talents, then tries to dignify it by complaining about his performance after the fight. GSP, there's no need to complain about your performance. You did EXACTLY what you intended to do. Grind out your opponent, use superior wrestling because obviously no one in the WW division can outwrestle you, and get by the bare minimum. Atleast a guy like BJ Penn has the balls to use all his talents to try in his best attempt to finish a guy, like a p4p candidate that he is. GSP, I appreciate your humbleness, but I don't appreciate your attempted bullshit by complaining about your performances. I'm sorry, but if a well rounded talent such as a Fedor, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, fought the equivilent talent of a Dan Hardy, that fight is finished..and is finished in dominating fashion. Yeah, you dominated Hardy, but kept him in the game for 25 minutes, and nor was he the least bit gassed.

Anyone wants to tell I'm bias, f-you. For once was I a BJ Penn hater...and again rightfully so, and at once was I full GSP supporter. I go by what I see, and this is what I see.
Repped for epiphany. I agree.
 

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So is this chapter 21 Alex? Where you discover the error of your ways and turn things around? Or are you going to spiral back into more ultraviolence?




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For anyone who doesn't get that, just move along.
 
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When are these threads gonna stop. Boohoo, GSP didn't stand with Hardy. Maybe you should go watch kickboxing, it would better suit what you want to see.
 

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And when GSP finishes his next opponent you will be back on his nuts. Remember when he finished BJ only 2 fights ago? Why do people have to be so fickle?
Yea I mean come on now! That was only one single fight after years, where GSP looked a little bit boring. You really wanna turn your back at him, because of one fight?? Are you serious???

If that's true then I gotta say, that you never were a real fan! It's as simple as that :thumbsdown: Everybody has a bad performance someday..

But you can stick with the BJ Love, he is a great guy! :)
 

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And when GSP finishes his next opponent you will be back on his nuts. Remember when he finished BJ only 2 fights ago? Why do people have to be so fickle?
Yeah, um, this was said pre-Hardy fight. Oh I heard it a million times. "The more Hardy pisses GSP off, the quicker he's getting finished" blah blah blah. I see nothing has changed. And he didn't "finish" BJ in the literal sense. Don't act like he didn't. BJ Penn simply doesn't have the gas to compete at 170. If someone like Dan Hardy and Thiago Alves can come out unphased by the likes of GSP, it's a safe bet if BJ was built for 170, he would to. Dan Hardy is finishable, should have been coming from an "elite fighter" such as GSP. I'm still on GSP's nuts, I WANT GSP to kick ass..what I don't want is for him to get past the bare minimum. Rest assured, when you're "excited" to see GSP, an elite-level fighter use his superior wrestling to neglect every advantage of his opponent by moving around on the ground for 25 minutes like some noob..I'll be excited to watch an elite-level fighter in BJ Penn to dominate a talent in Frankie Edgar, far superior to the likes of Dan Hardy, in devestating fashion by using well rounded skills...the way an elite-level fighter should, not scrape past the minimum.

When are these threads gonna stop. Boohoo, GSP didn't stand with Hardy. Maybe you should go watch kickboxing, it would better suit what you want to see.
Right, cause that's what I wanted. Maybe you should quit being stubborn and quit putting words in peoples' mouths. I know for a fact GSP is capable of finishing a calibure the opponent such as Hardy. I don't want GSP to stand with Hardy. I want GSP to go past the bare minimum. Why? Because I have high expectations of the guy. If you, and other GSP blind fans, and GSP himself wants to prove he's better then this, go past the bare minimum. I know he's capable of it. When you start taking guys like Dan Hardy to a 25 minute decision, you're not trying to be dominant. Instead, you're providing painfully boring fights. Blind GSP fans will not come to light with this, but in reality, they know his fights have been boring as shit. I mean really, what's really annoying is he criticizes his own performances after the fights...but he did EXACTLY what he wanted to do. It's ignorance in all accounts.

So is this chapter 21 Alex? Where you discover the error of your ways and turn things around? Or are you going to spiral back into more ultraviolence?
I viddied what I had to do... and what I had wanted to do, and that was to do myself in. When once I had a pain in me gulliver, too much of the ultra-violence....it's wrong, terribly, terribly wrong......I'M CURED!! :sad03:

Thanks for the support, everyone. This was a big leap for me..
 

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This is what gets my knickers in a twist about this whole situation. We can debate all day as to whether GSP is boring or not. But the facts are, he IS losing fans, not gaining them.

On this very forum we have several well respected members who have admitted to tiring of GSP's style. Members who actually like GSP. I don't want to start an argument as to whether this point of view is "right" or "wrong"... only to point out the fact that GSP is losing fans.

For the record, I dont actually agree totally. I enjoyed GSP's ground clinics the last couple of matches. But I also remember seeing how awesome GSPs striking is. I miss seeing that stuff. Lots of people do. Thats the reason we are not happy.

In a nutshell, GSP is losing fans like it or not.
 

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What I've learned is that alot of GSP fans are Insecure. Just look at this thread, they are twisting Alex's words because they fear the worst is being thought of him:confused02:
 

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I agree, I miss it too. I WANT GSP to use his dominant wrestling, what I don't want is for him to use it to the bare minimum. Hey, GSP set the standard himself...he wants more from himself, so do I.

Give it a few more fights, and even the blind ones will come to light. If this guy uses the same tactics his next 2 fights, 25 minute decisions..it'll dwindle. They're still delusional at this point....and obviously still delusional about what fans such as myself and many others are trying to say about this whole thing. I hope it doesn't happen though. I hope GSP snaps out of it and provides exciting fights using his dominance to simply smoke fools and not do bare minimum damage. With that said, I'm thankful for the previous two posts I quoted for quickly filling in the cliche and obviously misguided arguments when it comes to this GSP debate. "wait til he finishes his next opponent!" and "gsp would be foooolish to stand wif Hardy!!" Now that's out of the way, let me gloat in my reincarnation.
 

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on BJ Penn, ive always been a fan but i have gained more respect for his attitude and also the way he goes about his fights. i can understand ppl not liking BJ, thats just the way he comes across, you love him or hate him. I actually agree that if you could capture a poll on who is becoming more popular i think BJ could just about overtake GSP in the popularity stakes. The fact is right there in our faces BJ Penn is an exciting fighter, he use all aspects of fighting and finishes fights. GSP on the otherhand is a victim of his own success, he outwrestles everyone and thats how he wins, then he bitches that he made mistakes afterward. In fact if you watch before each fight he clearly states he is the best GSP ever everytime.

i like GSP but i just think BJ Penn is a way better PPV buy for EXCITEMENT factor. Plus he can be a pretty funny guy sometimes !
 

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I have to agree.. Even though I like GSPs ground work, it is annoying that everytime he says that he is the best GSP he is ever been, but then he himself isn't imbresd by his performance, although that is what he was planning to do. Even Greg Jackson after about the 2nd round said to GSP that he has to stop getting positions, but to GnP from the guard.
 

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Gsps new style is very boring but I dont mind. He wins with it. Its not his problem that his opponents cant stop his td.
 

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I like BJ now too, but I still like GSP as much.

His old fights are there to watch when I want to see him smash people, and his future is still in tact for smashing further opponents.
 

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It's hard for me to admit this, and after a long night of drinking, I've realized that my thoughts of certain fighters have drastically changed. After watching BJ Penn for the last few fights and his interviews, I've come to realize that this is not the same BJ Penn I've come to hate, and rightfully so I did. Instead, I see a humble BJ Penn, not one that feels to show the arrogance to call out certain fighters to which he would have no chance against because of his built. I have come to realize this guy is one of the best p4p fighters in the world and when he actually gets his act together, he's a likable guy. Example, this fight with Frankie Edgar. Edger is just a cool, chill guy that likes to fight. BJ isn't giving this crap about killing him in the octagon or calling out Brock Lesnar in the process. He realizes Edgars threat and treats it like a threat. That I like. I'm starting to appreciate BJ Penn a bit more. Good job, BJ.

As far as GSP goes, I can't help to find that the more I see him fight, the more respect I lose from him. I loved the old GSP. Why? Because he was a gentleman, a classy guy that whooped that ass in the process. He's still a gentleman, but in reality, he doesn't "whoop that ass." He use the minimum ability of his talents, then tries to dignify it by complaining about his performance after the fight. GSP, there's no need to complain about your performance. You did EXACTLY what you intended to do. Grind out your opponent, use superior wrestling because obviously no one in the WW division can outwrestle you, and get by the bare minimum. Atleast a guy like BJ Penn has the balls to use all his talents to try in his best attempt to finish a guy, like a p4p candidate that he is. GSP, I appreciate your humbleness, but I don't appreciate your attempted bullshit by complaining about your performances. I'm sorry, but if a well rounded talent such as a Fedor, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, fought the equivilent talent of a Dan Hardy, that fight is finished..and is finished in dominating fashion. Yeah, you dominated Hardy, but kept him in the game for 25 minutes, and nor was he the least bit gassed.

Anyone wants to tell I'm bias, f-you. For once was I a BJ Penn hater...and again rightfully so, and at once was I full GSP supporter. I go by what I see, and this is what I see.
Okay this is hilarious! I was just reading a thread about GSP and thought, "I should post a thread about how I have shifted in the BJ/GSP catagory"... and sure enough, the next thing I do is read this.

Don't be ashamed Alex, I feel the exact same way. If BJ does ever decide to challenge GSP again, I will be on the other side of the cage this time around.:thumbsup:
 

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Man, GSP should have just snapped the damn arm so I didn't have to hear about how he doesn't finish fights.
 
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