I dont have a prb with Herb. Plus i like his name :laugh:
Herb Dean-petition to get rid of him!
Here are some of the terrible stoppages Herb Dean has done in the past to probably make you angry as heck:
UFC 42: Rich Franklin .vs. Evan Tanner- Stopped way too early. Evan Tanner is a good and respectful man but was sure as heck pissed when that fight was stopped way too early. It only took three punches for Herb to stop the fight on the ground by Tanner. Terrible. But Herb Dean reffed the fight a lot better in the rematch at UFC 53. Maybe because Tanner didn't want to get on the ground and be stopped like Herb Dean always does.
UFC 48: Frank Mir .vs. Tim Sylvia- Sylvias arm snapped in half but some people got pissed. Tim was looking to slam Mir but Herb stopped it in the process. Tim wanted to continue but his arm broke completely in half. You have to give Herb some credit before the fight got out of hand.
Ultimate Fight Night 3: Nate Quarry .vs. Pete Sell- You can thank Herb Dean for almost getting Quarry killed against Franklin. He definitely did not deserve a title shot after this match. It was stopped way too early. Only one punch on the ground and Herb intervened. Sell was undefeated but not after this fight. Due to Herb Dean you will catch Sell delivering ass woopings on the Ultimate Fighter 4.
UFC 61: Tito Ortiz .vs. Ken Shamrock 2- Some people thought it was a good stoppage, others did not. Me, I thought it was bad because Tito had to prove it more than in a minute. Shamrock was eating those elbows but could have eaten a thousand more like he did in the first fight. But no, Herb has to be the worst referee ever.
Vote in the poll if you want Herb Dean fired or not.
UFC 42: Rich Franklin .vs. Evan Tanner- Stopped way too early. Evan Tanner is a good and respectful man but was sure as heck pissed when that fight was stopped way too early. It only took three punches for Herb to stop the fight on the ground by Tanner. Terrible. But Herb Dean reffed the fight a lot better in the rematch at UFC 53. Maybe because Tanner didn't want to get on the ground and be stopped like Herb Dean always does.
UFC 48: Frank Mir .vs. Tim Sylvia- Sylvias arm snapped in half but some people got pissed. Tim was looking to slam Mir but Herb stopped it in the process. Tim wanted to continue but his arm broke completely in half. You have to give Herb some credit before the fight got out of hand.
Ultimate Fight Night 3: Nate Quarry .vs. Pete Sell- You can thank Herb Dean for almost getting Quarry killed against Franklin. He definitely did not deserve a title shot after this match. It was stopped way too early. Only one punch on the ground and Herb intervened. Sell was undefeated but not after this fight. Due to Herb Dean you will catch Sell delivering ass woopings on the Ultimate Fighter 4.
UFC 61: Tito Ortiz .vs. Ken Shamrock 2- Some people thought it was a good stoppage, others did not. Me, I thought it was bad because Tito had to prove it more than in a minute. Shamrock was eating those elbows but could have eaten a thousand more like he did in the first fight. But no, Herb has to be the worst referee ever.
Vote in the poll if you want Herb Dean fired or not.
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uhhhh no, herb is a good ref and all the stoppages ive seen have been justified to say the least...
better to stop a fight to early than to late. Every refre will get some bad stoppages in his carrere (after all, it is going very quickly in there).
But hearb dean is one of the quicker refrees to stop fights, but I don't think he deserves to be fired...
But hearb dean is one of the quicker refrees to stop fights, but I don't think he deserves to be fired...
the man is doing his job and is looking out for the fighters health.. just becasue you disagree with him for doing so is no reason he should be fired... I'd rather a ref be stop a fight early in a questionable manner then wait until the fighter needs to be rushed to the hospital and its too late... I say Herb Good on ya...
Whoever thinks Herb Dean's job is easy should go out and become a referee. Then you'll see how much fun it is!:cheeky4:
hmm seems like Rush is the only one so far who thinks his job is easy...
I don't think being a referee is easy. But look at Big John. He is way better and puts more effort into his job. Maybe he has more experience but still. People don't appreciate matches being stopped early like Herb Dean does. He is the worst referee in the UFC and its pretty obvious.
why because he has concerns about fighters saftey? true he may be a bit cautious as stated and all can most likely agree with that.. but that does not make him bad..Rush said:I don't think being a referee is easy. But look at Big John. He is way better and puts more effort into his job. Maybe he has more experience but still. People don't appreciate matches being stopped early like Herb Dean does. He is the worst referee in the UFC and its pretty obvious.
Bwah...I guess it was a mistake to make this poll or I worded it wrong. It should have been titled "Dislike or like Herb Dean" not get him fired or not. Btu Big John is still the best referee ever!
I agree Big john is an excellent Ref.. one of the better ones around... the poll would be better if you had it as agree or disagree with his callRush said:Bwah...I guess it was a mistake to make this poll or I worded it wrong. It should have been titled "Dislike or like Herb Dean" not get him fired or not. Btu Big John is still the best referee ever!
It's a good enough point
I was waiting for it to be a witch hunt, but some good empirical evidence was presented. Not enough to get him fired by any means, but next time maybe we get Mazzagata, or the real man BIG John doing a bout I just paid 40 bucks to see. Its fighting, Id rather see a beat down then a puss stoppage for 40 bucks. Maybe its the sadist in me. Even Dana acknowledged it was a questionable stoppage. Next time he'd get it right. And the Mir Sylvia fight is a bad example. Anytime a fighter has to have screws inserted to fix a submission break is a good indicator of a proper stoppage.
I was waiting for it to be a witch hunt, but some good empirical evidence was presented. Not enough to get him fired by any means, but next time maybe we get Mazzagata, or the real man BIG John doing a bout I just paid 40 bucks to see. Its fighting, Id rather see a beat down then a puss stoppage for 40 bucks. Maybe its the sadist in me. Even Dana acknowledged it was a questionable stoppage. Next time he'd get it right. And the Mir Sylvia fight is a bad example. Anytime a fighter has to have screws inserted to fix a submission break is a good indicator of a proper stoppage.
actually the fight should be stopped just before that point.. no one wants to see a fighters caerer get ended.. but its an extremely hard call to make as every fighter cna withstand more then a different fighter.. so its really the ref best judgementaubdoggy said:I was waiting for it to be a witch hunt, but some good empirical evidence was presented. Not enough to get him fired by any means, but next time maybe we get Mazzagata, or the real man BIG John doing a bout I just paid 40 bucks to see. Its fighting, Id rather see a beat down then a puss stoppage for 40 bucks. Maybe its the sadist in me. Even Dana acknowledged it was a questionable stoppage. Next time he'd get it right. And the Mir Sylvia fight is a bad example. Anytime a fighter has to have screws inserted to fix a submission break is a good indicator of a proper stoppage.
Herb stopped all of those fights at the right point, even though some people think that he stopped the tanner/franklin fight early. All of those fights were going to be lopsided, except for Sylvia/Mir (MAYBE).
Big John and Herb should get it on for the top ref. position haha
I agree with RUSH. Herb Dean IS the worst ref in UCF. I will even go one farther and say that he is the worst ref in all of the MMA world. He needs to get a job reffing for Vince McMann, at least then it would fit his peaceful and hollywood reffing style! Give him a script and put him in WWE, he would fit much better there.
As a MMA fan you may not agree with some of the decisions Herb Dean made! Herb Dean is not there to please the fans, that's the fighters job. His job is to oversee the match with the fighters best interest in mind.steelshadow said:I agree with RUSH. Herb Dean IS the worst ref in UCF. I will even go one farther and say that he is the worst ref in all of the MMA world. He needs to get a job reffing for Vince McMann, at least then it would fit his peaceful and hollywood reffing style! Give him a script and put him in WWE, he would fit much better there.
TRue that, plus the Polls dont lie
Well some people pay 40 bucks to see a big knockout or a gruesome fight the way John McCarthy stops them not the way Herb Dean stops them in two seconds. Plus some of us have a list of favourite fighters, we don't like our favourite fighters being stopped shortly and robbed.
nobody was robbed...and I pay my 40 bucks to watch good fights, whether they are tkos in 15 seconds or decision i dont care, but if there is a bad fight i dont blame the ref but the fightersRush said:Well some people pay 40 bucks to see a big knockout or a gruesome fight the way John McCarthy stops them not the way Herb Dean stops them in two seconds. Plus some of us have a list of favourite fighters, we don't like our favourite fighters being stopped shortly and robbed.
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