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HI i just signed up with american top team in Coconut creek,FL i used to take jjj and judo that was years ago i have been to two classes already and i love it the problem is i gas out extremely fast and i end up having to sit out half the class after warming up and a few drills i am out and it is very embarrising i am quitting cigarrets i know that smoking has a big deal to me gassing out so fast and i have not been in shape for a while any suggestions on ways to help with my cardio anyone ever in the same position please help, Thank you bye
 

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Yeah definately quit smoking,
also try running on the days u dont train, or in the morning if u train at night, if u keep it up you'll be surprised how fast your cardio will improve
 

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When you quit smoking you will probably gain weight, so I would make sure that you are pushing yourself even harder when you think that you need to sit. The really great fighters will train until they can't walk back to their car, but that's part of training.
 

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hey iron man thanks it sounds like you know what you are talking about i use to smoke 2 packs a day i am down to only 4 cigaretts a day today at training it was tough but i was able to keep up i noticed a huge difference today you are right about when you said i will gain weight once i quit any suggestions what would you do i am 5'11 and 225 pounds i am very husky but have some fat i used to body build and screwed my body up with hormones i stopped lifting about 1 and a half years ago and most of my muscle turned to fat should i start lifting also or should i stick to cardio when doing drills and etc i don't want to be fat so what should i do? Thanks
 

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You should definitely get back into lifting, but with your build I suggest focusing on cardio.

When you say you stopped lifting do you mean that you stopped lifting completely?

Lifting and strength training is really an important part of grappling, and I like to think that it's alot more important than the cardio, but that's not really true. If you're going to be training in BJJ, you should be getting alot strength training just from your training. Add a little bit of weight training on top of that, but focus mostly on cardio, which will help you lose fat and keep you toned.
 

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hey iron man thanks it sounds like you know what you are talking about i use to smoke 2 packs a day i am down to only 4 cigaretts a day today at training it was tough but i was able to keep up i noticed a huge difference today you are right about when you said i will gain weight once i quit any suggestions what would you do i am 5'11 and 225 pounds i am very husky but have some fat i used to body build and screwed my body up with hormones i stopped lifting about 1 and a half years ago and most of my muscle turned to fat should i start lifting also or should i stick to cardio when doing drills and etc i don't want to be fat so what should i do? Thanks
ok for the record.. Muscle CAN NOt turn to fat major misconception.. basicly all that happened is your muscles got out of shape and cellular size decreased along with strength.. you still have the same amount of cells, no change there and you will be surprised how quickly they bounce back . Cardio will help I also suggest adding some weight training.. low weights high reps decent speed kinda like a cardio weight work out.. try adding ankle and wrist weights when you run maybe a weight belt not alot of weight just 2-5 pounds you'll notice a huge difference when your not wearing them after a work out.. will build up speed as well..
 

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thanks alot for the advice i have not lifted a wieght in about a year i feel my cardio going up i am down to 3 cigarets a day the school i go to American top team in Florida has muay thai and boxing classes i realy need to start losing weight i cannot keep up at 225 the weight division is just to much for me i want to lean out i have taken Miyama Ryu ju jitsu and judo for 3 years i was 14 at the time now i am 24 years old i always loved grappling eventually i want to compete what would be better for me muay thai or boxing they have some of the best coaches in both i never was a striker even as a kid i always would ground and pound but my stand up sucks which art do you think will be good for me i am going to start lifting weight again i used to play around with steroids since i was 16 so it is pretty tough to start lifting since the decrease in strength but my main goal is to get lean and in shape so i can train more and harder what are some of the good exercises to help balance,flexability, and coordination i read that i should stick to cable movements and push ups all kinds of body wieght exercise's i want to thank you guys for taking your time to help me i will be taking bjj 3 days a week the classes are 1 hour but after that class is a no gi class since my backround is in grappling i can go to the no gi class my friends at the school that are fighting already say that muay thai is better for me to take because it has much more devastating in the hands as well as feet what do you guys think with what kind of exercises i should do and also about the muay thai thank you so much
 

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Muay thai vs Boxing

tough call, depends what u like basically,
if u just want to supplement groundwork i would say boxing, because, no matter wat anyone says, boxers have better hands than muay thai guys and u dont want to over complicate ur game.

However knees, elbows and the ability to at least defend kicks are all a necessary part of mma training. the other thing is muay thai does clinch work so if u prefer clinch take-downs (as apposed to shooting) then muay thai may fit your game easier.

like i said depends wat u like, maybe do both and see for yourself:dunno:
 

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Muay thai vs Boxing

tough call, depends what u like basically,
if u just want to supplement groundwork i would say boxing, because, no matter wat anyone says, boxers have better hands than muay thai guys and u dont want to over complicate ur game.

However knees, elbows and the ability to at least defend kicks are all a necessary part of mma training. the other thing is muay thai does clinch work so if u prefer clinch take-downs (as apposed to shooting) then muay thai may fit your game easier.

like i said depends wat u like, maybe do both and see for yourself:dunno:
if possible train in both if you can get it.. you'll have great hands with lots of options in feet knees and elbows
 

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yesterday i went to my first muay thai class, since i am getting back into martial arts and i want to compete eventually in the future i never trained in a striking art but i was a little disapointed cause the class had 1 teacher and a fighter in mauy thai helping. The class consisted of about 13 people and the other students have been to the mauy thai class before the stance is very difficult and this was my first time even in a striking class it was like he had us doing drills of kicks,punches,knees,and elbows to the heavy bag and alot of push up's and running around the mat alot of exercise and cardio i am used to learning one thing at a time like in all the other arts i have taken they will go over a move and make you drill it until you are comfortable with the move and also can master it when i first got to the class the fighter that was helping out the teacher was helping me learn the stance for about 15 minutes then i got partnered up with a guy that has been in the class for a year he said he competes and is a black belt in akido, judo and a brown belt in bjj the thing that i did not understand was why partner me off if i don't even know the right stance yet i was confused the whole class and the guy they partnered me with was not so friendly and since he was doing it a year i thought he would help with the movements but he really just wanted to let me block his elbows when i signed up at the school it was 125$ for bjj and to use the gym it was only 25$ more to take another art it was between muay thai and boxing but since my muay thai class i don't know what i should do cause there is only 1 teacher and the fighter that helps him the teacher seems to know alot he used to be a mauy thai champion in my bjj classes there are 3 sometimes more teachers even though there is alot more people in bjj you learn one move at a time and you keep doing it until you can do the movement flawless but the mauy thai class i was everywhere i never hit a punching bag i mean i have no stand up at all and in the drills i did not know how to kick right or anything i can always switch to boxing or stick it out in the mauy thai class i want to learn everything i can the guy i was partnered up with told me that eventually i will start to get the hang of it i am very confused what would you guys do in my situation.thanks
 

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thanks alot the way i explained how the mauy thai class was is that how the class is supposed to be just keep throwing elbows,knee's,kicks, and punches and eventually i will start to get the hang of it and find the right way to getting my stance right and throwing the knee's,elbows,kicks, and punches the right way i never have taken a striking art so i am sorry for all the questions is this the normal way for training in mauy thai
 

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yesterday i went to my first muay thai class, since i am getting back into martial arts and i want to compete eventually in the future i never trained in a striking art but i was a little disapointed cause the class had 1 teacher and a fighter in mauy thai helping. The class consisted of about 13 people and the other students have been to the mauy thai class before the stance is very difficult and this was my first time even in a striking class it was like he had us doing drills of kicks,punches,knees,and elbows to the heavy bag and alot of push up's and running around the mat alot of exercise and cardio i am used to learning one thing at a time like in all the other arts i have taken they will go over a move and make you drill it until you are comfortable with the move and also can master it when i first got to the class the fighter that was helping out the teacher was helping me learn the stance for about 15 minutes then i got partnered up with a guy that has been in the class for a year he said he competes and is a black belt in akido, judo and a brown belt in bjj the thing that i did not understand was why partner me off if i don't even know the right stance yet i was confused the whole class and the guy they partnered me with was not so friendly and since he was doing it a year i thought he would help with the movements but he really just wanted to let me block his elbows when i signed up at the school it was 125$ for bjj and to use the gym it was only 25$ more to take another art it was between muay thai and boxing but since my muay thai class i don't know what i should do cause there is only 1 teacher and the fighter that helps him the teacher seems to know alot he used to be a mauy thai champion in my bjj classes there are 3 sometimes more teachers even though there is alot more people in bjj you learn one move at a time and you keep doing it until you can do the movement flawless but the mauy thai class i was everywhere i never hit a punching bag i mean i have no stand up at all and in the drills i did not know how to kick right or anything i can always switch to boxing or stick it out in the mauy thai class i want to learn everything i can the guy i was partnered up with told me that eventually i will start to get the hang of it i am very confused what would you guys do in my situation.thanks
its that Muay thai and most striking arts require alot of movement during a bout that classes are done in a more dynamic way. If possible try talking to the instructor explian that you were feeling lost.. perhaps he can have of the more advanced students work with you . But the main thing is hang in there. THat is a decent size class 2 instructors basicly with 13 students is not so bad.. grappling usualy has a higher teacher student ratio since its harder to see things when on the ground for a teacher.. try not to get discouraged and hang in there..
 

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thanks i am going to stick with the mauy thai it just is really confusing cause i do not even know the right stance or how to kick and punch the right way i thought that i would first be taught the right stance and once i got it i would move on from there i really want to learn the art the right way i am so used to being on the ground or stand up grappling that i am not used to a striking art but is this how mauy thai is usually taught the mauy thai instructers name is Christian "King cobra" Toleque he is the 2001 USA extreme challenge champion he also is the Shin do Kumate cruiserwieght title belt champion with a record of 23-0 and the boxing coach at the school is Howard Davis Jr. he is the olympic gold medalist 1976 games and recieved the val baker award for most outstanding boxer with a record of 36-6-1 14 KO's maybe you know about them so from what i told you about the class does it sound like what i explained about the mauy thai class is how it is usually taught? i want to have good hand and leg speed with a good stand up and be in good shape from what i told you if you were in my position do you think i will benefit? i want to thank you for taking the time to answer my questions so i really need a stand up because right now i have nothing
 

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thanks i am going to stick with the mauy thai it just is really confusing cause i do not even know the right stance or how to kick and punch the right way i thought that i would first be taught the right stance and once i got it i would move on from there i really want to learn the art the right way i am so used to being on the ground or stand up grappling that i am not used to a striking art but is this how mauy thai is usually taught the mauy thai instructers name is Christian "King cobra" Toleque he is the 2001 USA extreme challenge champion he also is the Shin do Kumate cruiserwieght title belt champion with a record of 23-0 and the boxing coach at the school is Howard Davis Jr. he is the olympic gold medalist 1976 games and recieved the val baker award for most outstanding boxer with a record of 36-6-1 14 KO's maybe you know about them so from what i told you about the class does it sound like what i explained about the mauy thai class is how it is usually taught? i want to have good hand and leg speed with a good stand up and be in good shape from what i told you if you were in my position do you think i will benefit? i want to thank you for taking the time to answer my questions so i really need a stand up because right now i have nothing
well alot of school you kinda just enter and just pick up as you go along.. the instructors cover the basics one day and more advanced skills another.. so give it some time.. if your still lost and confused.. ask the instructor to go over some stuff with you.. or ask one of the more advanced students if they can work with you.. in a good school this is encouraged and most people will be willing to help.
 

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