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I agree.

I CAN'T believe that people say GSP LnP's, when Sheilds is going this far with it. GSP at least attempts to finish his opponent several times throughout a fight, Sheilds did NOTHING. It was almost like he had no confidence he could pull a sub off on Miller, so he just tapped at him and hugged him for awhile, literally. I have no hate for Sheilds for not wanting to stand up, but the fact that he couldn't stand for 5 seconds (also literally) with Mayhem, really shows how far away he is from being ready for anyone top level, like other people have been saying.

Props to him for winning, but how could you be proud of that performance or win at all?
 

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I would rather watch 60 minutes of gay porn surrounded by naked dudes than watch jake shields for 25minutes.

...on a good note my wife loved the fight it was "cute", fights are not cute goddamn it :(
 

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Man I almost fell asleep in that fight. GSP works a lot harder from the guard and elsewhere then Shields ever dreamed of doing. :thumbsdown:
 

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I was pondering this and I think I have some possible reasons (Read - not excuses)

I think Shields has always been able to get a level of comfort and control in his matches and he didn't like being near-evenly matched with Miller's grappling. I think he fell back on classic BJJ of 'position before submission'. Miller is near impossible to submit and I had the expectation of a ground grind going into the fight. Sadly, Shields was as good at striking as Miller was at single-leg takedown defense. I was really, really hyped for this fight (more than any other on the card) and it didn't disappoint me at all. I really thought Shields was unconscious in that RNC.

Sounds like I'm in the minority, but I loved that fight.
 

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I was pondering this and I think I have some possible reasons (Read - not excuses)

I think Shields has always been able to get a level of comfort and control in his matches and he didn't like being near-evenly matched with Miller's grappling. I think he fell back on classic BJJ of 'position before submission'. Miller is near impossible to submit and I had the expectation of a ground grind going into the fight. Sadly, Shields was as good at striking as Miller was at single-leg takedown defense. I was really, really hyped for this fight (more than any other on the card) and it didn't disappoint me at all. I really thought Shields was unconscious in that RNC.

Sounds like I'm in the minority, but I loved that fight.
I think that fight delivered. Not at all one-sided, a close saved-by-the-bell sub attempt, an awesome standup dynamic (Miller clearly having the advantage, and watching Shields realize it).

Every fight tonight was exciting as hell, not dissapointed in any of them!
 

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I love how haters like to say GSP does the same thing. Hes very active in his opponents guard and lays out shit loads of punches. But haters will be haters.

Shields had no intention of finishing that fight. Sorry to say, but pussies get no respect.
 

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Definetely not LNP. If it was, the fight would have been stood up a lot more. From what I remember, it was stood up like once. Just the fact that Shields has crap GNP and Mayhem is a really game fighter that Shields couldn't implement his jitz on. Great performance by Miller, if he couldve kept off his back and landed more on the feet he would have won that fight.
 

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Shields took Mayhem's back several times, but did nothing with it (although Miller is quite hard to finish). He focused on keeping his positioning, in my opinion, and would only submit Miller if he had his positioning spot on.

you guys now that gsp is pretty much the same deal shields right ?
GSP has much better wrestling, and we all know what would happen if the fight stayed on the feet. GSP is just on another level from Shields, in my opinion.
 

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Damn, was I ever pulling for Mayhem. Shields has all kinds of skill, but doesn't interest me in the least.

If he really wanted to fight GSP, I imagine he would have by now.
 

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I mean, add 3 seconds to that 3rd round.... Miller had shields looking at tweety bird. Then the next round, Shields was like **** that, and just lays down on miller. Miller was the better fighter (the monkey roll on call was classic), shields was the better position controller, DAMN WRESTLERS!!

People comparing shields to gsp are right, but atleast Gsp throws elbows and punches to end a fight. Shields only looks to better his position, he never looked past that to do any damage.
 

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those 2 should stick to beating up kids in 'Bully Beatdown'!!


Strikeforce is LAME. Dude with the gay glasses is so distracting. STFU already
 

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Just pointing this out in case some didn't remember. Strikeforce doesn't allow for forearm/elbow strikes to the head of a downed opponent? This reduces the chance for a cut stoppage but it also takes out the main tools of GnP. Definitely takes some of the magic out of MMA for me... I'm not saying it would have changed Shield's approach any, but different rules should put perspective on Shields and GSP performance comparisons.
 

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Nah, GSP throws a ton of full length punches from guard with his GNP, Sheilds did nothing. Even in the fights where GSP wins a decision he always comes close several times to finishing his opponents.
 

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oh im not sayin shields = GSPs skills.....

im saying shields = gsp boring
Shields is like GSP without the dynamic karate standup. Wrestlers have an advantage in cage fighting but IMO, Shield's tactic is the last thing you'd want to do in a street fight.

If you were in an alley facing a few shady strangers, who would you want there with you? Shields or Mayhem? ;)

To me the answer is easy.


WAR MAYHEM!
 
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