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After Bitter Rivals, Tim Sylvia said Frank Mir was the Dennis Hallman of Matt Hughes. Dennis Hallman is one of the few fighters that beat Matt Hughes but could not beat anybody else. Sylvia believes Mir's victory over him was a fluke. Do you think Frank Mir is on Tim Sylvia's level or was his victory only a freak thing?:dunno:
 

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sadly i think frank mir WAS on his level but now is not, and imho wont ever be again.
he seriously broke that leg, and rehab can be tuff, but his weight and conditioning in his fight vs christinson was very sad. a guy who wont keep his body in shape, wont work hard enough to be a champ again, accident or no accident.
 

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dont count mir out ..hes still a young guy.. i think if he gets serious and starts training hard again, he could beat tim again..
 

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True, but he's got ALOT of work ahead of him, and it won't be quick either. If he goes into the next fight lookin like he used to it'll be pretty obvious he's on steroids.
 

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Don't compare him to Hallman. This guy is more of a Penny Hardaway or Grant Hill. The guy was in an accident and hasn't been able to recoup. He WAS better then Tim and was developing into one of the top HW submission fighters, now he's just fat and washed up. I suggest UFC has him fight Vera to officially end all this crap.
 

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According to the post fight interview, Mir says it was an ugly win and it wont happen again. I think he's well aware of what he needs to do to be back on that higher level.

He said he took his training for granted and didnt diet well for that fight.


As for Tim, I dont think it was a fluke. A win's a win. Especially one where someone snaps your arm. Something thats not too commonplace. I think Tim was just down talking that fight and since he's defeated AA twice he's just being cocky now. Before he beat AA the first time, Im sure if you had asked Tim about the Mir fight, he most likely say that he got caught and just couldnt shake Mir, but now its just him being cocky because he beat AA twice and Mir has put on two horrbile exhibitions. I give Mir two more fights before I'd say he's out of the game.
 

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Don't compare him to Hallman. This guy is more of a Penny Hardaway or Grant Hill. The guy was in an accident and hasn't been able to recoup. He WAS better then Tim and was developing into one of the top HW submission fighters, now he's just fat and washed up. I suggest UFC has him fight Vera to officially end all this crap.

I defenitely wouldnt want to see him fight Vera now, it just wouldnt be fair. Make him fight someone like Sherner or something.
 

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Its pretty hard to watch mir sink to where he is now. He had so much natural talent and was looking to become one of the top heavys in the world. If he gets back into the gym and slims down he could be a force again, although I don't think he has the drive to do it.
 

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According to the post fight interview, Mir says it was an ugly win and it wont happen again. I think he's well aware of what he needs to do to be back on that higher level.

He said he took his training for granted and didnt diet well for that fight.


As for Tim, I dont think it was a fluke. A win's a win. Especially one where someone snaps your arm. Something thats not too commonplace. I think Tim was just down talking that fight and since he's defeated AA twice he's just being cocky now. Before he beat AA the first time, Im sure if you had asked Tim about the Mir fight, he most likely say that he got caught and just couldnt shake Mir, but now its just him being cocky because he beat AA twice and Mir has put on two horrbile exhibitions. I give Mir two more fights before I'd say he's out of the game.
I agree with ya on that one. Seems like he is a little more cocky now.:dunno:
 

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I defenitely wouldnt want to see him fight Vera now, it just wouldnt be fair. Make him fight someone like Sherner or something.
**** no. How many ****ing cans does the UFC have to give this fat slob before he decides to get his act together. I believe you give him Vera, he knows he can't come out of shape and half assed. Its what he needs to motivate him, if not he knows he can put on these shitty outings and still get a W.....either he steps his game back up or send his fat ass packing (ask Ricco).
 

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Tim Sylvia likes to talk a bunch of crap. No way is Frank Mir the Dennis Hallman of Matt Hughes. Frank Mir was dominant as heck the time he defeated Tim Sylvia at UFC 48. He used to end opponents brutally in the first round in 2003-2004 and at this time possibly one of the best heavyweights ever. Dennis Hallman couldn't beat 3 opponents in back to back PPVs like Tank Abbott in a minute, Wes Sims, other people Frank Mir dominated in 2003-2004. Dennis Hallman was brutal in the UFC and got lucky against Hughes. Hughes took him lightly the way he took Sherk and Penn such as not training hard, etc. Hallman got owned by Frank Trigg, not the best welterweight in the UFC I've seen lol. Tim Sylvia is the worst trash talker I've ever seen. "Fedor hasn't faught anyone in his striking ability", "Fedor is tiny ****", "Frank Mir is Dennis Hallman of Matt Hughes", "I'm a hunchback trash talking machine", "Blah, blah". If Frank Mir had a rematch with Sylvia before his accident I bet Mir would win in the first round by submission again definitely. Mir is one of the best UFC heavyweights up there with Rutten, Barnett, Sylvia, Rodriguez, Rizzo, etc.
 

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The Only reason that Mir won the fight over Sylvia is because of that good for nothing punk ref, Herb Dean. He's famous for the "early stopages" as is pretty plain to see. Sylvia was in the process of slamming Mir's head stright into the ground when Herbie saved Mirs ass! Mir was an awesome submissionist, but Sylvia had him beat dead to rights! :cheeky4:
 

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No, it should not have been stopped at that point. There was no bone pertruding and no blood visible. If the man can continue to fight and is able to defend himself, then he has every right to continue. Herbie is just "Stop" happy.

But, that's just my opinion ;) Another opinion I have it that Herb Dean should be fired from refing, then fired upon with machine guns, and then, and then thrown into a fire. But, again... that's just my opinion :D
 

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No, it should not have been stopped at that point. There was no bone pertruding and no blood visible. If the man can continue to fight and is able to defend himself, then he has every right to continue. Herbie is just "Stop" happy.

But, that's just my opinion ;) Another opinion I have it that Herb Dean should be fired from refing, then fired upon with machine guns, and then, and then thrown into a fire. But, again... that's just my opinion :D

You, sir, are a moron. But that's just my opinion.;) I do hope someone with authority sees your post about killing a referee. Maybe next time you fight someone and they break your bones, they will continue to inflict damage on you, and when you get knocked out cold, they continue to punch you over and over and over and over again because if not, it would be an early stoppage.
 

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Herb Dean is known for early stoppages but that fight it was needed, someone gets their shit snapped they're done! Regardless if they think they can fight or not.
 

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You, sir, are a moron. But that's just my opinion.;) I do hope someone with authority sees your post about killing a referee. Maybe next time you fight someone and they break your bones, they will continue to inflict damage on you, and when you get knocked out cold, they continue to punch you over and over and over and over again because if not, it would be an early stoppage.
Thats the problem with the "new" generation of "MMA" fans crying about "this rule" and "that rule" I truly miss the NHB days of MMA, no time limits, no weight classes, and pretty much no rules. You either tap, get knocked out, or your corner throws in the towel. Other than that, you fight! If I get my arm broke and I still want to fight, then I will. If Herbie hadn't stopped that fight then it would have ended with Mir getting his head smashed into the ground and being knocked out. This is a tough sport PERIOD There is no room for whinners. WouldLuv2FightU, if you would rather watch a nice little fairey tale match than I suggest you tune into WWF, cause the real deal is too much for you to handle. As far as the moron comment, your responce speaks for it self. I was not implying to actually kill anyone. It was more along the lines of, the guy really really really needs to be fired!
 
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