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2 questions i would like to see opinions on:

First of all im not a GSP fan boy etc but why does everyone hate on GSP??:confused:. He gets alot of stick and Hardy was ripping him for having a calender out and using fake tan etc. Why do they all have this opinion that u need to be a ugly mug and have to win fights by knockout to be a great champion? and on taking people to the ground know one gives guys like Koscheck or Sanchez crap for taking opponents down all the time. Im british and still wanted Hardy to get his big cocky mouth smashed by GSP. Someone needed to give him a lesson like Henderson did with cocky Bisping. And i cant believe that Hardy is still mouthing off about the way he got beat. Thats mma. Gsp was great and used his best weapon to wipe away another opponent who is just a brawler with no ground game.

2. Who in everyone's opinion are the best pound for pound fighters in mma?? Its often said that its Anderson silva or GSP are but how can Silva be the best when he has not really thaught many great fighters?? were as GSP has made a complete fool out of BJ Penn and beat Hughes and Tiago silva with ease.
1, GSP
2, Anderson Silva
3, Couture
 

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Inb4 Fedor Marks.
 

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I rank GSP at the top followed by Fedor and Anderson Silva.
But depending on who you ask you will get a different answer.
There Is no 100% correct answer on who Is the P4P best fighter In the world, Its all based on opinions.
 

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I rank GSP at the top followed by Fedor and Anderson Silva.
But depending on who you ask you will get a different answer.
There Is no 100% correct answer on who Is the P4P best fighter In the world, Its all based on opinions.
This is true also, The true #1 p4p fighter will be declared once GSP fights Silva.
 

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Gotta agree with UFCFan and Spec, I'd have Silva before him anyday, don't think that GSP could take him.
 

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Didn't p4p mean who is the best in a mystical world where they all are in one weight division? If so, how can you declare the best p4p by putting GSP and Silva in the cage, if Silva can easly hang with the LHWs, whereas GSP barely has to cut to MW?
 

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This is true also, The true #1 p4p fighter will be declared once GSP fights Silva.
Only if GSP wins, if he loses then Silva win is kind of tainted due to a 35 pound size difference. Still though, it would be a nice win to Silva's resume and may still give him the #1 spot.
 

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1. Silva
2. Fedor
3. GSP
4. BJ Penn

Silva is first because he rapes at 2 divisions. Fedor is second because he's raped the longest in his division. GSP is third because he's beat bj penn and has been raping for awhile now in his division, and BJ is fourth cuz he rapes his division.
 

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I don't think there is a clear cut P4P best fighter in the world, because you can argue any of these guys as the best at what they do.

HW: Fedor Emelianenko
LHW: Lyoto Machida
MW: Anderson Silva
WW: Georges St. Pierre
LW: BJ Penn

If I had to put a top three list according to who they've fought, and win/loss ratio:

1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Fedor Emelianenko
(one could argue Machida and Penn be in the top three P4P rankings)

Fedor in third simply because he needs to be in the UFC, and he needs to fight the top heavyweights that reside there.

As far as GSP and a fake tan and putting out a calender; his manager is a woman, and it was for a good laugh and cause. Dan Hardy/Everyone in the welterweight division can make fun of GSP all they want for putting out a calender but when it comes time to be in there with GSP, he dominates them every round the fight goes. When you stand with him, he hits you. When you try to throw back at him, he takes you down. They can laugh all they want but when it comes fight time, GSP has walked through everyone in the welterweight division with rather ease. The same can be said for A. Silva. I give him the edge in P4P over GSP not because he has fought better fighters as I think they have both fought the best. (except for each other that is) because of his finish ability in fights and how he can make top fighters look like amateurs. GSP does the same, but the fights last longer than they should.

Only time will tell, and hopefully in this lifetime I get to see Anderson Silva fight GSP because it would be epic, and it would actually put the P4P pound rankings to rest. Simply put that one of them would be #1 and one of them would be #2.

Until that happens, we don't have a P4P best fighter in the world. (in my opinion)
 

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In the UFC my order goes:
1. A. Silva-he's proven he CAN dominate any opponent that wants to throw, and that he can tap a guy when necessary
2. BJ Penn-He's proven he can KO just about everyone, and hang with GSP on the ground.
3. GSP-his wrestling skills are the sickest of sick but his striking seems lackluster at best of late, not due to a lack of skill, just motivation to use it.

In MMA in general, everyone drops a rung:
1. Fedor-he's wrecked some of the greatest in their prime and earned this place IMO.
 

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I've always taken a p4p ranking to be an estimate of a fighters skills discounting size, and the strength and control that comes with it. That being said, I don't think GSP's skills translate as well as most people believe. I think Anderson, BJ, and Fedor's skill sets transcend size and strength, while GSP's skill set relies upon it heavily. For that reason, in this sense alone, GSP is way down on my list of p4p greats.
 

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In the UFC my order goes:
1. A. Silva-he's proven he CAN dominate any opponent that wants to throw, and that he can tap a guy when necessary
2. BJ Penn-He's proven he can KO just about everyone, and hang with GSP on the ground.
3. GSP-his wrestling skills are the sickest of sick but his striking seems lackluster at best of late, not due to a lack of skill, just motivation to use it.

In MMA in general, everyone drops a rung:
1. Fedor-he's wrecked some of the greatest in their prime and earned this place IMO.
How can u put BJ Penn above GSP when he got made a fool of in the 2nd fight between them and took an absolute beating. That proves that he is not as good as GSP but probably should be in the top 6.

As for Anderson Silva he knew he would own Forrest as he is just a brawler compared to Silva's perfect martial arts and boxing. I dont see him wanting to try himself against the likes of Machida or Shogun at light heavyweight who i think would beat him. Silva should be a light heavyweight really as he is 6,2 with very long limbs so know wonder he lands so many punches on the middleweights like Leben etc who are all alot smaller with a samller reach
 

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How can u put BJ Penn above GSP when he got made a fool of in the 2nd fight between them and took an absolute beating. That proves that he is not as good as GSP but probably should be in the top 6.
Might be because BJ isn't a natural WW! GSP could be a MW fighter with his frame.

p4p is hard to debate..
 

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Might be because BJ isn't a natural WW! GSP could be a MW fighter with his frame.

p4p is hard to debate..
yeh but the same could be said about Silva. He should be a light heavweight with his natural weight and 6 feet 2 height. Weight does not make much difference when you were outskilled by miles like Penn was by GSP.
 

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1. GSP
2. Fedor
3. Penn
4. Silva

why? GSP is the most complete fighter in that bunch. Silva is a beast standing but he doesn't really have the takedowns and takedown defense of the above 3. GSP Fedor and Penn can each win the fight standing or on the ground and they can pretty much decide where the fight will be fought with their great wrestling/*****/etc. techniques. Silva does have a black belt in jitsu and has shown that he isn't a fish in the water when he gets taken down, but he has shown more weaknesses with his ground game than the other 3 have.

Also, we have yet to see Silva face an elite Striker that really challenges him standing. Not saying his striking isn't great, but the best striker (Cote) he fought so far lost by an injury and Silva wasn't exctly dominating him. Not to mention Cote isn't that technical to begin with.

basically though I think equal size Silva would be in huge trouble against the other 3 as he isn't as versatile as they are, which is basically how you are supposed to do these lists. :)
 

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IMO you can't realy make a 100% accurate P4P ranking.
I think teh 3 guys that are in the mix for the number one ranking are: Silva, GSP and BJ.
Considering the way each of these 3 has cleaned it's division, a lot of people would put it like this:
1 Silva, 2 BJ, 3 GSP.
But i do think these rankings have to take in consideration the level of competition each of these 3 fighters has in his division.
Out of the 3 divisions, i think the most competitive is the WW division. That's just my opinion. :)
Taking this in consideration, i would put GSP first, but then again, i have to think of the way Silva and BJ have crushed their challengers.
If i had to aword them points out of 100 (just to show how close i think they are) to make my ranking, i would put it like this:
1. Silva 95
2. GSP 93
3. BJ 90
 

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yeh but the same could be said about Silva. He should be a light heavweight with his natural weight and 6 feet 2 height. Weight does not make much difference when you were outskilled by miles like Penn was by GSP.
Yea I agree! That's why I have GSP also ahead of Penn in my list. And your totally right, a guy with the measures of Anderson should be fighting at LHW.

But my sig shows you that I am not getting annoyed about it^^ :) I like him at MW too and think he looks great at that weight.
 
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