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On another thread on this forum I mentioned that I evaluated this fight hit-for-hit, takedown-for-takedown completely. Here are the results and why I think Karo got robbed but Diego understandably won due to his great performance in the last 3 minutes of the fight. But like I said, if the judges had the chance to do what I just did then they would see that Karo won no doubt about it (in my opinion). I don't really have anything against Diego he's a great fighter, a bit annoying, but still a great fighter. Karo is one of my favorites but I made sure I did not favor him at all while scoring this fight. These are all the honest-to-God true facts of the fight and if you don't believe me, do it yourself and see. It only took me about an hour to do with my DVR. I will tell you that I did not count any of the weak, half-hearted punches or other strikes that were thrown or landed while they were in a clinch or on the ground. These kind of strikes are not important because they throw them with almost no effort and only do it so the fight doesn't get broken up or stood up or to distract the fighter, not so much to actually knock their opponent out or inflict any sort of serious damage. There were a lot of these kind of strikes thrown throughout the whole fight but none of them were counted except the ones that were obviously intended to inflict damage.

Give me your thoughts on my scoring and who you NOW think won the fight:

Round 1:
Karo Parisyan
Punches/Strikes: 30/45 (66.6%)
Elbows: 3/3 (100%)
Knees: 0/0
Kicks: 0/0
Takedowns: 3
Submission Attempts: 0
Escapes: 1
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
3:30-2:17
1:14-0:42
Total: 1 min 45 sec

Diego Sanchez
Punches/Strikes: 17/33 (51.5%)
Elbows: 1/1 (100%)
Knees: 2/2 (100%)
Kicks: 0/0
Takedowns: 1
Submission Attempts: 1
Escapes: 3
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
4:39-3:39
2:18-2:15
Total: 1 min 03 sec

I would say Karo won this round...

Round 2:
Karo Parisyan:
Punches/Strikes: 13/25 (52%)
Elbows: 2/2 (100%)
Knees: 0/0
Kicks: 1/1 (100%)
Takedowns: 3
Submission Attempts: 0
Escapes: 1
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
4:04-3:29
3:26-3:01
0:28-0:09
Total: 1 min 19 sec

Diego Sanchez
Punches/Strikes: 10/24 (41.6%)
Elbows: 0/0
Knees: 3/3 (100%)
Kicks: 0/0
Takedowns: 1
Submission Attempts: 1
Escapes: 2
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
2:14-1:01
Total: 1 min 13 sec

This round also goes to Karo the way I see it, that's 2 now....

Round 3:
Karo Parisyan:
Punches/Strikes: 13/23 (56.5%)
Elbows: 0/0
Knees: 3/3 (100%)
Kicks: 0/0
Takedowns: 2
Submission Attempts: 1
Escapes: 1
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
3:45-2:58
Total: 0 min 47 sec

Diego Sanchez
Punches/Strikes: 34/51 (66.6%)
Elbows: 4/7 (57.1%)
Knees: 2/2 (100%)
Kicks: 0/0
Takedowns: 2
Submission Attempts: 1
Escapes: 1
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
2:55-1:58
1:02-0:00
Total: 1 min 59 sec

This round obviously goes to Diego....what do you all think based on these results?
 

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WouldLuv2FightU said:
On another thread on this forum I mentioned that I evaluated this fight hit-for-hit, takedown-for-takedown completely. Here are the results and why I think Karo got robbed but Diego understandably won due to his great performance in the last 3 minutes of the fight. But like I said, if the judges had the chance to do what I just did then they would see that Karo won no doubt about it (in my opinion). I don't really have anything against Diego he's a great fighter, a bit annoying, but still a great fighter. Karo is one of my favorites but I made sure I did not favor him at all while scoring this fight. These are all the honest-to-God true facts of the fight and if you don't believe me, do it yourself and see. It only took me about an hour to do with my DVR. I will tell you that I did not count any of the weak, half-hearted punches or other strikes that were thrown or landed while they were in a clinch or on the ground. These kind of strikes are not important because they throw them with almost no effort and only do it so the fight doesn't get broken up or stood up or to distract the fighter, not so much to actually knock their opponent out or inflict any sort of serious damage. There were a lot of these kind of strikes thrown throughout the whole fight but none of them were counted except the ones that were obviously intended to inflict damage.

Give me your thoughts on my scoring and who you NOW think won the fight:

Round 1:
Karo Parisyan
Punches/Strikes: 30/45 (66.6%)
Elbows: 3/3 (100%)
Knees: 0/0
Kicks: 0/0
Takedowns: 3
Submission Attempts: 0
Escapes: 1
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
3:30-2:17
1:14-0:42
Total: 1 min 45 sec

Diego Sanchez
Punches/Strikes: 17/33 (51.5%)
Elbows: 1/1 (100%)
Knees: 2/2 (100%)
Kicks: 0/0
Takedowns: 1
Submission Attempts: 1
Escapes: 3
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
4:39-3:39
2:18-2:15
Total: 1 min 03 sec

I would say Karo won this round...

Round 2:
Karo Parisyan:
Punches/Strikes: 13/25 (52%)
Elbows: 2/2 (100%)
Knees: 0/0
Kicks: 1/1 (100%)
Takedowns: 3
Submission Attempts: 0
Escapes: 1
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
4:04-3:29
3:26-3:01
0:28-0:09
Total: 1 min 19 sec

Diego Sanchez
Punches/Strikes: 10/24 (41.6%)
Elbows: 0/0
Knees: 3/3 (100%)
Kicks: 0/0
Takedowns: 1
Submission Attempts: 1
Escapes: 2
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
2:14-1:01
Total: 1 min 13 sec

This round also goes to Karo the way I see it, that's 2 now....

Round 3:
Karo Parisyan:
Punches/Strikes: 13/23 (56.5%)
Elbows: 0/0
Knees: 3/3 (100%)
Kicks: 0/0
Takedowns: 2
Submission Attempts: 1
Escapes: 1
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
3:45-2:58
Total: 0 min 47 sec

Diego Sanchez
Punches/Strikes: 34/51 (66.6%)
Elbows: 4/7 (57.1%)
Knees: 2/2 (100%)
Kicks: 0/0
Takedowns: 2
Submission Attempts: 1
Escapes: 1
Amount of Time in Dominant Position:
2:55-1:58
1:02-0:00
Total: 1 min 59 sec

This round obviously goes to Diego....what do you all think based on these results?
dude i dont care about ur stats..i watched the fight twice and diego won the fight..i believe my eyes and he clearly won
 

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jdun11 said:
dude i dont care about ur stats..i watched the fight twice and diego won the fight..i believe my eyes and he clearly won

i'm editing this post now because i thought you were being a prick at the time and i yelled and took offense.
 

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**** time in the dominant position


you can be on bottom and dominate....diego won every round...he was more aggressive and hit better punches....he was better
 

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jdun11, you should at least be kind to wouldluv2fightu for doing this. This took time and I bet if you tried jdun you would drop the topic in seconds. I think it is a pretty reasonable assessment although I still believe Diego won round 2.
 

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**** time in the dominant position


you can be on bottom and dominate....diego won every round...he was more aggressive and hit better punches....he was better

I know you can dominate from the bottom, but nobody did during this particular fight. Every time one was on top, they were dominant. Nobody was dominant on their back during this fight. And the fact that you just said "Diego won every round" proves you don't know what you're talking about.

I know Diego won the ****ing fight people. But you guys need to realize that there's more to a fight than just who makes who bleed worse. Those are barfight rules. This is MMA. I'm not saying the judges made a bad decision or that Diego didn't deserve a win. I realize that the fight is judged immediately after the end of the 3rd round and that the judges only have what they just saw to go by to make a decision. Diego won the fight I already acknowledged that before I even started typing out the scores. But Karo deserves more credit. You can't say Diego was hitting harder just because Karo was bleeding. Trust me I just watched every exchange in slo-mo several times and I know Diego got rocked quite a bit more, it just didn't break the skin. Everyone's skin is different and maybe Karo just has the tendency to bleed a bit more than other people. When I see someone's head double-bounce in mid-air, that tells me it was a pretty hard hit, and Diego's head was double-bouncing constantly. Diego was swinging wildly throughout the fight as shown by his thrown/landed ratios and also makes it look like he is the better fighter but he missed a lot more than Karo did. Diego won the fight no arguement there I saw his hand get raised therefore I know he won. But Karo is a better fighter, and decisions mean nothing. You win or lose a fight by finishing it, the fight isn't over until someone gives up, gets knocked out, or dies lol. My opinion is that Karo statistically won the fight. You have your opinions and I have mine. That's what this ****ing forum is for. All I did was share my opinion in a nice way and ask for yours. I didn't ask you to be assholes about it. If you don't like my opinion then that's fine but stop being pricks. It's not like this changes the outcome it's just my opinion and could be an interesting thread if you would just stop being so defensive towards your boyfriend Diego. Diego is an awesome fighter no doubt about that. But Karo is better and fought better in this fight, but gassed. Diego won because he LOOKED like the better fighter. That's how every fight gets decided and I'm cool with that but I am just sharing the other ways of scoring a fight. If this fight were to go until someone drops or gives then I think Diego would have been victorious. But since the fight is officially over at 15:00 I don't think it would have been the case. It was a very close fight so I don't see how you can say Diego won every round.

Do me a favor and tell me why YOU think Diego won this fight, and don't say "cuz that's what the judges scored it" in YOUR OWN WORDS IN YOUR OWN UNIQUE OPINION tell me what you saw to make Diego win every round. If you're going to say stupid stuff like that at least back it up.

P.S. This post isn't directed towards you Rush.
 

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ok...dont flip out...lol


diego won and thats all that matters
 

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and good job on the stats BTW
 

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Wouldluv2fight, out of everybody who thought Karo won you are the only one who made a convincing arguement. I still disagree with you though because the strikes that Diego threw at Karo during all three rounds did more damage then Karo's strikes.
 

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I say Diego won as well. He pushed the pase and accomplished more (like nocking out a tooth). . .I think. However, that was a great fight and Perisian put up a hell of a battle. Who do you guys think should be next on Diegos list?
 

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WouldLuv2FightU said:
Whatever you say chief...you obviously don't understand the reason I did this...no need to be such a prick either I wasn't being a prick I was being completely fair to both Sanchez fans and Parisyan fans so if you don't like it kiss my ass.
i wasnt trying to be a ****..i was just sayin i dont care what the stats were cuz i saw with my own eyes what happened..and diego won..the reason he won was because he landed the better shots..they were cleaner, and he basically gave karo a beating..i gave karo the 2nd round and the fight was up for grabs till about the 3 minute mark, but it looked like diegos relentless style of fighting really got to karo and diego just imposed his will after that...
 

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I watched the fight and I thought the decision to give the fight to Diego was good, I thought that he was pushing the action and was clearly the aggressor for most of the fight. Karo was looking pretty beat up by the end of the fight and Diego looked as fresh as he did in the first round . I do believe that not alot of credit was given to Karo for some of those great judo throws. Diego got alot more credit for punches that did'nt connect than Karo got for throwing him on his head.
 

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jdun11 said:
i wasnt trying to be a ****..i was just sayin i dont care what the stats were cuz i saw with my own eyes what happened..and diego won..the reason he won was because he landed the better shots..they were cleaner, and he basically gave karo a beating..i gave karo the 2nd round and the fight was up for grabs till about the 3 minute mark, but it looked like diegos relentless style of fighting really got to karo and diego just imposed his will after that...

Well if you didn't care about the stats then don't reply to the thread because when you say stuff like that it sounds pretty prickish lol. Yea I think Diego really pulled it off in the last 3 minutes showing the judges that he was still able to fight a couple more rounds and Karo was just pooped. Like I said before though, I think if Karo didn't look so tired in the last 2 rounds but still fought the exact same fight, I think the decision might have been different. When one fighter looks like he's ready to go home, then it's pretty hard to say he won I understand. Diego is a tough mofo and I wish this was a 5-rounder even though that would mean Karo would probably get TKOed. I don't wanna keep arguing but I'm telling you guys Diego punches were nothing compared to Karo's jabs. Karo rarely missed and rocked Diego every time. I know Karo's face looked worse but that doesn't always mean what you think. Maybe I'm wrong about that cuz I wasn't actually on the recieving end of them but they sure looked painful. I don't understand how Diego got so energized in the last 3 minutes though. Do you remember his post-fight talk to Joe Rogan? He couldn't even talk. He was so wore out. I wish they would have talked to Karo at the end too.

Some of you guys have only seen the fight once or twice, if you guys watched it the way I did you might understand what I am trying to say better. If you can do what I did, then I would highly reccomend it. It makes the fight so much different. I do it to a lot of good action-packed fights and you'd be surprised what you miss when you're favoring a fighter. And when you watch the exchanges in slo-mo you see which punches ACTUALLY connect and which didn't, whereas the same exchange in real time may look completely one-sided, it's not always the case. It has a lot to do with camera angles too. If you're bored and got an hour to kill and got some fights on tape or DVD or TiVo, try it out.

Sorry jdun11 i thought you were trying to give me shit, didn't mean to flip out at you like that, i just took it in a different tone than you prolly intended.
 
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