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OK, I have to get this off my chest as a die hard fan off MMA. I have watched since UFC-1. In fact, I have seen every UFC event. I have seen every Pride event. And I have seen virtually every other event out there from Strikeforce, Affliction, K-1, Bodog Fights, IFL, etc, etc, etc. I go to all my local events and support my training partners. I have trained for over 7 years now and have even had a couple fights just to say I did it.

In doing so, I have seen the evolution of MMA from what early opponents called human cock-fighting to what we now know as MMA today. MMA today is a legitimate sport. It is not a bloodfest. It is a sport with skilled opponents and strategies. There are rules and judges. It is no longer the old, two men enter one man leave scenario. MMA has evolved into a mainstream spectator sport.

This is what bugs the crap out of me. For years MMA, mainly led by the UFC, has struggled to become legitimate in the eyes of the licensing committees and fans alike. The goal was to take away the perception that you had two knuckleheads in the cage trying to gouge each other’s eyes out and bleed all over each other. Thus, making it a sport like baseball or basketball or whatever. For the most part we have succeeded. Most educated fans understand the conditioning involved. They understand the training involved. They understand the strategy involved. For the most part, this forum (unlike others that shall remain nameless (Sherdog)), has a good deal of educated fans of the sport. So, when I see threads bashing fighters that didn’t make an entertaining fight, it bugs the heck out of me. Just follow me here.

What is the goal of the fight? Is it to win . . . or is it to entertain? If it is to entertain, then why are we fighting to become a mainstream sport? Why have rules? Why not just become like professional wrestling and have scripted fights? They are in fact entertaining right? But if the goal is to win your fight, what in the world is wrong with a fighter employing strategy to win? I mean, that is the goal right? Let’s take for example the GSP/Hardy fight. Why are people saying that GSP did not come to fight? I think he answered it himself . . . he came to win . . . period. Did he succeed? So what, it was a little boring. Is that really his problem? What about Jon Fitch? All his fights look the same. Is that his problem? Should he change the fighter he is to accommodate the fans? I mean, he is winning . . . so why change? Yes . . . he is boring to watch at times. But, who cares? Again I ask, is the goal to entertain or win?

I get so sick of hearing “fans” talk about fighters not coming to fight (when they win). Or when someone says they have lost all respect for a fighter because they stayed away from another fighter’s strength to actually win the fight. If we are indeed a real sport, then strategy is a key component of any good fighter’s gameplan these days. Why should fighters feel like they need to apologize after a fight, because the fans didn’t like it? How many times have we seen a Superbowl that was less than entertaining? It happens people. Get over it. Sometimes fights are boring. Sometimes a fighter is smart enough to realize they are stronger in an area than his opponent and they choose to stay away from their strengths. To me, that is a smart, professional fighter.

The bottom line is this. If you are truly an MMA fan, then you have to take the good with the bad. You also need to understand that fighters should only be concerned with one goal . . . winning. If organizations like the UFC were only interested in entertainment, then our sport would look very different today. We would probably have a roster full of guys like Tank Abbott that just stood in front of each other and wailed on each other’s face until one fell. But, MMA is a sport. There is skill, conditioning and yes strategy. If you are a true MMA fan you should realize this. If you don’t like a fighter because of how they fight that is fine. But for heaven’s sake, quit bashing an opponent for winning . . . even if it wasn’t pleasing to you. Enjoy the good fights, and respect the fighters for doing what they do when it’s a boring one.

Sorry I just had to get that off my chest. Respond as necessary!
 

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You had me at Cock fighting...Wait...MMA isnt just about blood? Lol I feel ya man People will come around.
 

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What is the goal of the fight? Is it to win . . . or is it to entertain? If it is to entertain, then why are we fighting to become a mainstream sport? Why have rules? Why not just become like professional wrestling and have scripted fights? They are in fact entertaining right? But if the goal is to win your fight, what in the world is wrong with a fighter employing strategy to win? I mean, that is the goal right? Let’s take for example the GSP/Hardy fight. Why are people saying that GSP did not come to fight? I think he answered it himself . . . he came to win . . . period. Did he succeed? So what, it was a little boring. Is that really his problem? What about Jon Fitch? All his fights look the same. Is that his problem? Should he change the fighter he is to accommodate the fans? I mean, he is winning . . . so why change? Yes . . . he is boring to watch at times. But, who cares? Again I ask, is the goal to entertain or win?
Entertainment is DEFINATELY a huge factor in MMA. who gets a title shot, a guy who wins 7 fights by unanimous decision, or a guy who wins 4 fights by KO/TKO. it's going to go to the exciting fighter 9/10 times. back in the pride days exciting fighters were kept around whether they won or lost. putting a show on for the fans counts for alot; theres no way a boring sport could go mainstream.

the tank abbots of mma don't make it because they lack the skill, but look how big chuck liddell was. he was a pioneer of the sport, and all he was is basically a brawler with tdd. at the same time you had matt hughes who absolutely dominated his division, and was considered by many as the no1 p4p fighter, but he never became a household name because his fights wern't always exciting.

why did Brock Lesnar get a title fight after just 3 MMA fights? becaause he's a bigger draw than anyone else and the reason for that is because he's an entertainer.

in a perfect world all that would count is that you win. it doesn't work that way though, if every mma fight was boring noone would take interest.
 

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OK, I have to get this off my chest as a die hard fan off MMA. I have watched since UFC-1. In fact, I have seen every UFC event. I have seen every Pride event. And I have seen virtually every other event out there from Strikeforce, Affliction, K-1, Bodog Fights, IFL, etc, etc, etc. I go to all my local events and support my training partners. I have trained for over 7 years now and have even had a couple fights just to say I did it.

In doing so, I have seen the evolution of MMA from what early opponents called human cock-fighting to what we now know as MMA today. MMA today is a legitimate sport. It is not a bloodfest. It is a sport with skilled opponents and strategies. There are rules and judges. It is no longer the old, two men enter one man leave scenario. MMA has evolved into a mainstream spectator sport.

This is what bugs the crap out of me. For years MMA, mainly led by the UFC, has struggled to become legitimate in the eyes of the licensing committees and fans alike. The goal was to take away the perception that you had two knuckleheads in the cage trying to gouge each other’s eyes out and bleed all over each other. Thus, making it a sport like baseball or basketball or whatever. For the most part we have succeeded. Most educated fans understand the conditioning involved. They understand the training involved. They understand the strategy involved. For the most part, this forum (unlike others that shall remain nameless (Sherdog)), has a good deal of educated fans of the sport. So, when I see threads bashing fighters that didn’t make an entertaining fight, it bugs the heck out of me. Just follow me here.

What is the goal of the fight? Is it to win . . . or is it to entertain? If it is to entertain, then why are we fighting to become a mainstream sport? Why have rules? Why not just become like professional wrestling and have scripted fights? They are in fact entertaining right? But if the goal is to win your fight, what in the world is wrong with a fighter employing strategy to win? I mean, that is the goal right? Let’s take for example the GSP/Hardy fight. Why are people saying that GSP did not come to fight? I think he answered it himself . . . he came to win . . . period. Did he succeed? So what, it was a little boring. Is that really his problem? What about Jon Fitch? All his fights look the same. Is that his problem? Should he change the fighter he is to accommodate the fans? I mean, he is winning . . . so why change? Yes . . . he is boring to watch at times. But, who cares? Again I ask, is the goal to entertain or win?

I get so sick of hearing “fans” talk about fighters not coming to fight (when they win). Or when someone says they have lost all respect for a fighter because they stayed away from another fighter’s strength to actually win the fight. If we are indeed a real sport, then strategy is a key component of any good fighter’s gameplan these days. Why should fighters feel like they need to apologize after a fight, because the fans didn’t like it? How many times have we seen a Superbowl that was less than entertaining? It happens people. Get over it. Sometimes fights are boring. Sometimes a fighter is smart enough to realize they are stronger in an area than his opponent and they choose to stay away from their strengths. To me, that is a smart, professional fighter.

The bottom line is this. If you are truly an MMA fan, then you have to take the good with the bad. You also need to understand that fighters should only be concerned with one goal . . . winning. If organizations like the UFC were only interested in entertainment, then our sport would look very different today. We would probably have a roster full of guys like Tank Abbott that just stood in front of each other and wailed on each other’s face until one fell. But, MMA is a sport. There is skill, conditioning and yes strategy. If you are a true MMA fan you should realize this. If you don’t like a fighter because of how they fight that is fine. But for heaven’s sake, quit bashing an opponent for winning . . . even if it wasn’t pleasing to you. Enjoy the good fights, and respect the fighters for doing what they do when it’s a boring one.

Sorry I just had to get that off my chest. Respond as necessary!
I assume this is all about GSP. I agree with pretty much everything you wrote and even said in other threads that the win is all that matters in the end since this is after all a sport where you compete under rules to deterime a victor according to this ruleset. In this regard GSP is the perfect fighter.

In other regards, we as fans, who pay these fighters salaries have the right to be able to bring criticism when we see something that we don't like, find offencive or simply not entertaining. People watch sports for entertainment or atleast excitment. This holds true for everything, baseball, track and fields, skeeing, fotball etc... And the atheletes in these sports regularily face criticism when they fail to perform or play a boring defencive game to eek out a 1-0 win (for instance in soccer). Why should MMA be different? You will always have tactical players who might, or might not be, boring and you will have more exciting, unpredicable players, who strives to create offence, and go forward, rather then supress the opponents offence and shut him down while doing very little to end the fight decicevly.

What I'm saying is GSP is doing the right thing, and the smart thing. But that dosent change the fact that we have the right to be dissapointed and be allowed to voice these concerns to the public eye.

I'm not obligated to think that 25 minutes of safe boring grappling with very little offence is super fun to watch. Therefor I say what I think and if you GSP or anyone else has a problem with that, then its your problem, not mine. :thumb02:
 

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Haha soccer is awesome! It's the worlds most popular sport for a reason!
lol Well, I agree with you, but most North Americans don't. And it illustrates a point - the folks more intimate with the sport tend to "get it" much more than casual fans/uninterested people.
 

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Amen bro! The reaction to GSP's victory over hardy is indicative of the kind of people that are holding the sport back. They are not animals they are athelets first and foremost....you dont get some one screaming at tiger woods to get a hole in one.

Jon Jones has said it best ' i take no pride in breaking veras facial bones' In response to idiotic questioning by the interviewer

Its hillarious that people think mma is boring when an athelete tries to execute a great gameplan but thinks its awesome when a second rate fighter like kimbo slice beats up a bum. If you think something like Frye v takayama (sp) is awesome but gsp v hardy was lame then your not really an mma fan
 

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Being exciting is what makes a sport legit? Whoever thinks this has never watched a baseball or soccer game. The most boring aspect of MMA is better than anything that can ever happen in either of those sports. Baseball is America's past time and how many people are up in arms about it being boring? MMA is boring to the ignorant fan who should be watching a cock-fight instead of MMA.
 

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Im an American and I love me some Fn soccer cant wait for the World Cup!
lol yeah the world cup is going to be awesome

Being exciting is what makes a sport legit? Whoever thinks this has never watched a baseball or soccer game. The most boring aspect of MMA is better than anything that can ever happen in either of those sports. Baseball is America's past time and how many people are up in arms about it being boring? MMA is boring to the ignorant fan who should be watching a cock-fight instead of MMA.
Football is an awesome game better than the handegg game you guys play. Watch the sheer drama of a penalty shoot out and you'll understand just howdramatic football is
 

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Football is an awesome game better than the handegg game you guys play. Watch the sheer drama of a penalty shoot out and you'll understand just howdramatic football is
Football and soccer are the same ******* thing and they are both boring as hell. This argument is over.
 

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Football and soccer are the same ******* thing and they are both boring as hell. This argument is over.
did i say theyre different? Well its boring if you say so...just make sure you tell those guys that have made it the most popular sport in the world aswell. I dont think they got the memo:thumb02:

ps im sure handegg is also a great sport
 

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did i say theyre different? Well its boring if you say so...just make sure you tell those guys that have made it the most popular sport in the world aswell. I dont think they got the memo:thumb02:
It's extremely boring to watch, as is baseball. But that doesn't mean it's not fun to play. I love playing both. But they are boring to watch and there is no debating that.
 

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Its hillarious that people think mma is boring when an athelete tries to execute a great gameplan but thinks its awesome when a second rate fighter like kimbo slice beats up a bum. If you think something like Frye v takayama (sp) is awesome but gsp v hardy was lame then your not really an mma fan
A great gameplan can still be a boring gameplan, the two are not mutually exclusive lol!

I don't wanna se Kimbo beat on bums or Jon Jones break bones. Infact I'd much rather not see anyone get injured in the cage ever!

Fact of the matter is what people find fun is subjective and everyone have different ideas, there is fun grappling, boring grappling, fun standup and boring standup.

If you think I'm not a true MMA fan because I found GSP vs Hardy to be 25 min sleep pill then fine, what ever I don't care, and I don't need you to validate me as a "true hardcore fan" because I don't give a shit about other peoples definition about what "true fans" must be like. I know myself and I know what I enjoy watching and thats all I need to know.

I didn't enjoy GSPs fight and I voice criticism because I beilive we have the right to do this to athletes regardles of what sport is concerned.
 

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The real question is, how does one have human cock fighting? There's human fighting and there's cock fighting but human cock fighting? The only reasonable answer I can think of is 18+ and a horrible image so I'll keep it to myself.
 

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Agreed with OP's post. I used to hate Machida for the very purpose of his lack of engagement/entertainment value, until I came to terms he's just an effective winner and eventually accepted the fact he's a bottom line effective fighter.

I think the issue with GSP for "some" fans at least, isn't as much the monotony of his fighting strategy, but that he's so dominant that no one poses a challenge. He's so far ahead of his competition in his division that his fights lack the anticipation factor. Once he butters in that first TD, you know the fights over, because if you can't stop GSP's TD, you're losing, so following the opening TD, you're just waiting for the inevitable outcome, like arriving at the appropriate floor of an elevator ride, as oppose to enjoying a roller coaster, anything can happen fight. GSP is too good for his division.
 
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