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Most Effective Grappling Style?

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What's the most effective grappling style in everyone opinion?
 

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Wrestling because they have well rounded takedowns and all you have to do is rein down punches from on top
 

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Who are some fighters that use Japanese jj and *****?
The biggest ***** fighter right now is Andrei Arlovski. JJJ fighters usually combine it with something else, but some of the big name fighters who use JJJ are guys like Hayato Sakurai and Kazushi Sakuraba.
 

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Although the bulk my personal background is Freestyle Wrestling (Some BJJ, Kenpo, and lots of Greco-Roman tourneys), I have to say BJJ for one simple reason: BJJ is by far the discipline that is most comfortable fighting from one's back. This is huge. Wrestlers, despite endless hours of MMA training, still occasionally suffer from the wrestling stigma when they are on their backs. They've been taught for years that this is a bad place to be, and it takes an immense amount of "deprogramming" for a wrestler to acquire a taste for fighting from their back.
 

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Yeah, the only style that addresses fighting agressively from your back is really BJJ, but JJJ and ***** can be used just as effectively.

BJJ teaches the closed guard and different forms of the guard, which is one of the biggest things that wrestling lacks in MMA.
 

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Kameleon said:
Who are some fighters that use Japanese jj and *****?

Ya Andrei Arlovski uses *****, But a better fighter in ***** is Fedor... lol.
I don't think Hayato Sakurai uses jjj. He did Shoot Kickboxing and Shooto. but i dont know about jjj. but maybe i'm wrong.
 

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The BJJ gives you very good fights, I love to see to BJJ fighters go at it!:thumbsup:
 

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Well, I still think that JJJ is the best overall, but there is no HUGE fighters that use it, so no one recgonizes it as the best style. It's a shame really.
 

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Where is judo? There have been some real good judokas. Judo is a good throwing art as well as submissions.
 

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Where is judo? There have been some real good judokas. Judo is a good throwing art as well as submissions.
Only real prominent Judoka out in MMA that I can think of are Karo Parisyan (UFC) and Hidehiko Yoshida(Pride FC). Parisyan is real wicked with his Judo throws. Yoshida is known for choking out his opponents with his Gi.
 

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Well, I still think that JJJ is the best overall, but there is no HUGE fighters that use it, so no one recgonizes it as the best style. It's a shame really.
I am partial to it myself very powerful.. It was the first are I ever studied
 

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bjj hands down is the best ground style
for 1 simple reason- fighting from the bottom!

JJJ is a good all round style but BJJ is better on the ground
and muay thai has better strikes and greco/freestyle has better takedowns
so wats the point?
 

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Freestyle Wrestler & BJJ

In my opinion Brazilian Ju-Jitsu and Freestyle wrestling work the best. Japanese Ju-Jitsu is great but it has some flaws and that is why Mitsuyo Maeda came to Brazil in the 20th century to help recreate Ju-Jitsu. He first introduced it to the Gracies clan and they have helped him re-make Ju-Jitsu to what it is today, Brazilian Ju-Jitsu. They tweaked it up and it has proven to work better than original Ju-Jitsu. Freestyle Wrestling is also great. Taking down opponents, sprawling, moving them around, etc. Overall it's great to learn. Every mixed martial artist nowadays should learn any type of Ju-Jitsu and Freestyle wrestling, then work on submissions specifically. Grappling is the 2nd key to success in a fight. Number 1 is standup, 2 is grappling, and 3 is finishing which is usually submissions.
 

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it seems to be a general concensus that each grappling style is great for its main focus but they each have a differnet flaw that some training oin the other styles would coverup making for an all around great grappler..
 

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Only real prominent Judoka out in MMA that I can think of are Karo Parisyan (UFC) and Hidehiko Yoshida(Pride FC). Parisyan is real wicked with his Judo throws. Yoshida is known for choking out his opponents with his Gi.
Doesn't Karo have a BJJ backround as well?
 

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I don't see Karo's name on Bjj.org. It is most likely that he did do some sort of cross-training. He is Gokor Chivichyans star pupil, who in turn was also trained by Gene LeBell. However, I know that LeBell spent a lot of time training with the Machados (he even mentions so in his book). Neither is listed at bjj.org.
 

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The proper term is Greco Roman not Roman Greco and it differs greatly from Freestyle in its limitation of allowing the use of the legs for offense or defense.

Freestyle wrestling encompasses all of the techniques of Greco Roman and allows the use of the legs, so there's really no reason to list both.

Freestyle wrestling and BJJ run neck and neck for first place in my opinion. It just depends on the competitor. If the freestyle wrestler only uses freestyle wrestling technique (no natural fighting techniques like striking) then he would lose to a BJJ competitor probably by a submission, since wrestlers don't train submissions.

Interesting thread. Congrats on starting it.



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I think Shoot Wrestling although very similar to Freestyle and Greco incorporates more of Catch Wrestling which has proven to be quite effective. Ken Shamrock is the most famous fighter who uses it.
 
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