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I read in a book about Thailand where 5 Kung Fu masters went to Bangkok and fought 5 Muy Thai experts. All 5 lost quickly to the Muy Thai experts. It didn't go into a lot of detail and I wonder how much of the outcome may have been due to the fights taking place in Thailand and using Muy Thai rules.
Has anyone heard of this encounter?
 

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michael said:
I read in a book about Thailand where 5 Kung Fu masters went to Bangkok and fought 5 Muy Thai experts. All 5 lost quickly to the Muy Thai experts. It didn't go into a lot of detail and I wonder how much of the outcome may have been due to the fights taking place in Thailand and using Muy Thai rules.
Has anyone heard of this encounter?
never heard about it.. but if they were using Muay thi rules that would explain why they lost.. kung fu people would not easly fit into Muay thai rules.. in an open fight it might go differently.. but it all depends on the practicioners themselves.. and how they can adapt
 

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They lost because muay thai is better. kung fu is to spiritual and unrealistic.
 

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They lost because muay thai is better. kung fu is to spiritual and unrealistic.
I'd not say better.. but you are right about the spiritulism of King fu.. though I have noticed many practicinoers to be unrealistic about thier actual skill level and the Chinese do have this feeling that thier arts are superior to all others so its kinda fitting they got beat.. but I am sure there are kung practicioners who could beat Muay Thai guys with ease and vice versa
 

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They lost because muay thai is better. kung fu is to spiritual and unrealistic.
What about the saying,"It isn't the system, it's the man?"
Isn't it also true that all combat is unpredictable? You don't know how it's going to end until it's over?
You know that, while some people talk about this system or that, we also here stories about guys who are supposed to have it together martial arts-wise, you know, black belts, green berets, guys like that, and they go and get their ass kicked in a bar by some biker who never studied nothing formally.
The true story that I like along these lines, if anybody's really interested, I'll dig up the book on my bookshelf, they are saying that this guy was the CIA's top covert operator,he had been on his college's Taekwondo team for four years and had black belt ranking before he even joined the CIA, in the CIA they taught him more hand-to-hand fighting techniques at The Farm, their top-secret school for spies.
And what happened?
He was checking out some hot blonde when he was home on leave, and some punk high school kid working the counter at the pizzeria kicked his ass!
That's right! This hot shot covert operator/martial arts expert got his ass kicked by some sixteen year old pizzeria counterman.They had to take him to the hospital and shit.
What do you say to that?
 

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What about the saying,"It isn't the system, it's the man?"
Isn't it also true that all combat is unpredictable? You don't know how it's going to end until it's over?
You know that, while some people talk about this system or that, we also here stories about guys who are supposed to have it together martial arts-wise, you know, black belts, green berets, guys like that, and they go and get their ass kicked in a bar by some biker who never studied nothing formally.
The true story that I like along these lines, if anybody's really interested, I'll dig up the book on my bookshelf, they are saying that this guy was the CIA's top covert operator,he had been on his college's Taekwondo team for four years and had black belt ranking before he even joined the CIA, in the CIA they taught him more hand-to-hand fighting techniques at The Farm, their top-secret school for spies.
And what happened?
He was checking out some hot blonde when he was home on leave, and some punk high school kid working the counter at the pizzeria kicked his ass!
That's right! This hot shot covert operator/martial arts expert got his ass kicked by some sixteen year old pizzeria counterman.They had to take him to the hospital and shit.
What do you say to that?
ecxactly...ppl immediately discount kung fu as unrealistic and useless....just like many street fighters discount all martial arts as BS and useless...the truth is that not one system is trully superior and will win u the fight...u have to train hard and be realistic....u have to understand the system and make it work for u....u have to know urself and make whatever system or style u learn work for ur needs....u also have to be familiar with the opponent and train to fight ppl from other styles...

If u dont take time to know urself, understand the principals of combat and how to apply them in a fight u better make time for losing a fight...
 

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If you just said that Kung Fu is unrealistic, you need to do your homework, doubleleg. Kazushi "the Gracie Killer" Sakuraba is a wing chun expert, which is, coincidentally, a form of kung fu.

Judge the fighter, not the system. If any one system was better, then all of it's fighters would be too, but that's not the case. The fact of the matter is that the five kung fu experts were not really that good and the muay thai experts were experienced street fighters.

It's a good story, but it's not a basis for saying that Muay Thai is a superior art.
 

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If you just said that Kung Fu is unrealistic, you need to do your homework, doubleleg. Kazushi "the Gracie Killer" Sakuraba is a wing chun expert, which is, coincidentally, a form of kung fu.

Judge the fighter, not the system. If any one system was better, then all of it's fighters would be too, but that's not the case. The fact of the matter is that the five kung fu experts were not really that good and the muay thai experts were experienced street fighters.

It's a good story, but it's not a basis for saying that Muay Thai is a superior art.
Sak, wing chun? He doesnt look like Wing Chun....he is a catch wrestler and I think japanesse jiu jitsu...but Wing Chun? I dont think so...

But if u know something I dont and have a link where it says he's a wing chun man I'll apreciate it...

I do Wing Chun and Ive never seen it in MMA...

Here is another story...

About 2 years ago Sifu Duncan Leung and Sifu Steve Falkner went to China to train 6 underprivilege kids in Wing Chun. They trained 6 days a week for one year and a half and sent those kids to a thai boxing competition. 4 of them won their fights and the other 2 draw. None of the new wing chun fighters lost to the thai boxers using Wing Chun kung fu to win or at least draw.

Wing Chun works!
 

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Muy Thai

Well I think that Muy Thai>>>>any other martial art in terms of real world use. One thing is that its very practical and it is perfect for how most fights really work. Flying/spinning kicks, flashy moves don't work. Self defense techinques don't really work. Elbow strikes, Knees, jabs, uppercuts, leg kicks/sweeps, headbutts, all at close range are what will win a real fight. On top of this, Muy Thai training has a lot of sparring and fighting, where other martial arts focus mainly on hitting air or pads(katas etc.).

Don't believe me? Look at the peole who win UFC now. The top ones use Muy Thai techniques/training and BJJ for the ground grappling. You saw how the karate experts got their butts kicked when they first competed and styles weren't the mixed like they are now. I truely believe that regular martial arts are not made for making you a fighter, more then making you better physically and mentally. You will be a better fighter if you are a black belt in TKD, but that doesn't mean you are a good fighter. Muy Thai is based on fighting and fighting efficently to knock out your opponent. Of course you will need some ground skills to be a good fighter, almost every real fight I have ever seen has gone to the ground, unless one of the people are VERY outmatched.
 

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Muy Thai vs. Kung Fu

Micker said:
Well I think that Muy Thai>>>>any other martial art in terms of real world use. One thing is that its very practical and it is perfect for how most fights really work. Flying/spinning kicks, flashy moves don't work. Self defense techinques don't really work. Elbow strikes, Knees, jabs, uppercuts, leg kicks/sweeps, headbutts, all at close range are what will win a real fight. On top of this, Muy Thai training has a lot of sparring and fighting, where other martial arts focus mainly on hitting air or pads(katas etc.).

Don't believe me? Look at the peole who win UFC now. The top ones use Muy Thai techniques/training and BJJ for the ground grappling. You saw how the karate experts got their butts kicked when they first competed and styles weren't the mixed like they are now. I truely believe that regular martial arts are not made for making you a fighter, more then making you better physically and mentally. You will be a better fighter if you are a black belt in TKD, but that doesn't mean you are a good fighter. Muy Thai is based on fighting and fighting efficently to knock out your opponent. Of course you will need some ground skills to be a good fighter, almost every real fight I have ever seen has gone to the ground, unless one of the people are VERY outmatched.
What about the idea is that the greatest master is the man who never had a fight in his life? You know, I had an experience in high school some years back.I was in a band that was doing well, we were playing dances every weekend. Naturally, at some of these things there were punks and thug wannabes, guys who were punks trying to be thugs and as a result, there were fights and various encounters. The drummer in my band was into Jay Gluck's classic paperback entitled "Zen Combat," especially for the section on Aikido, and when he heard that a genuine Aikido master from Japan was going to give a demonstration in a nearby city, he thought that we should check it out.
We did. I was impressed, especially when that old man took on like nine or ten guys, and those ten guys weren't B.S.ing.I was all psyched up when the time came when we could talk to the master personally, and when it was my turn, I asked him about this one trick that the punks liked to pull to sucker a guy. I figured that if anybody knew an effective counter to it, he would.
And you know what he said to me? He said,"Why are you in that position in the first place?"
I never forgot that. I think that truer words were never spoken to me,
"Why are you in that position in the first place?"
Ninety nine times out of a hundred, you can see trouble coming. These guys have to psyche themselves up to swing at you. They have to provoke an argument by talking trash.Sometimes you can just see them coming.
After what the master said to me, I never had anymore problems. If my band did a gig at a bar and somebody had one too many and wanted to argue over who won the penant in 1997, I'd be like," Oh, sure, man. YOu're right. You are so right. Donald Duck's team won the penant in 1997 ! What in the world was I thinking about. Listen: It's been great talking to you, but I got to get back to the band."
 

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Ferdelance said:
What about the idea is that the greatest master is the man who never had a fight in his life? You know, I had an experience in high school some years back.I was in a band that was doing well, we were playing dances every weekend. Naturally, at some of these things there were punks and thug wannabes, guys who were punks trying to be thugs and as a result, there were fights and various encounters. The drummer in my band was into Jay Gluck's classic paperback entitled "Zen Combat," especially for the section on Aikido, and when he heard that a genuine Aikido master from Japan was going to give a demonstration in a nearby city, he thought that we should check it out.
We did. I was impressed, especially when that old man took on like nine or ten guys, and those ten guys weren't B.S.ing.I was all psyched up when the time came when we could talk to the master personally, and when it was my turn, I asked him about this one trick that the punks liked to pull to sucker a guy. I figured that if anybody knew an effective counter to it, he would.
And you know what he said to me? He said,"Why are you in that position in the first place?"
I never forgot that. I think that truer words were never spoken to me,
"Why are you in that position in the first place?"
Ninety nine times out of a hundred, you can see trouble coming. These guys have to psyche themselves up to swing at you. They have to provoke an argument by talking trash.Sometimes you can just see them coming.
After what the master said to me, I never had anymore problems. If my band did a gig at a bar and somebody had one too many and wanted to argue over who won the penant in 1997, I'd be like," Oh, sure, man. YOu're right. You are so right. Donald Duck's team won the penant in 1997 ! What in the world was I thinking about. Listen: It's been great talking to you, but I got to get back to the band."
excellent post man... Thats basicly what I have always been taught that the highest form of self defense is to not get into a fight in the first place.. That if you found your self in a situation where it has become physical you messed up somewhere along the way. but you train so that when you do make a mistake you are prepared to handle it as efficently as possible and that ideally you can go through life with out ever having to throw a punch in self defense. just training/.
 

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But, you forgot what we were talking about. Whether, kung fu is better than muay thai. Muay thai is so much more practical for fighting. However, if you want to do martial arts for the "Spirituality" kung fu is better. That's the end of it
 

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But, you forgot what we were talking about. Whether, kung fu is better than muay thai. Muay thai is so much more practical for fighting. However, if you want to do martial arts for the "Spirituality" kung fu is better. That's the end of it
the Muay thai system may be designed better for more practical use but that does not mean every Muay thai fighter can defeat every Hung Fu fighter.. it all comes down the the individual
 

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A well trained Thai fighter can beat a better trained kung fu practitioner because of the obvious fact that Thai fighters can take a lot more damage, can deal more damage, and they are physically (and for fighting mentally) in better shape.

In some lucky circumstances, a kung fu fighter may defeat a thai fighter, but it is very, very unlikely
 

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A well trained Thai fighter can beat a better trained kung fu practitioner because of the obvious fact that Thai fighters can take a lot more damage, can deal more damage, and they are physically (and for fighting mentally) in better shape.

In some lucky circumstances, a kung fu fighter may defeat a thai fighter, but it is very, very unlikely
i agree with this. the reason why the muay thai fighters won is because they have had full contact hits since they were as young as six or even younger. But the kungfu fighters arent used to this. So while the kungfu fighters may have been more skilled technically they could hit a muay thai fighter a few times and not phase him, but 1 blow from the muay thai fighter could cause a knockout.
 

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The only reason muay thai is considered by many better than kung-fu is better it takes so little time to develop the very few techniques that muay thai has. And if u(whoever i read the post) cant take a blow, its because u dont train for it, thats all. Muay thai fighters use a stick(steel, wood whatever) and they rub very stronly the front part of their legs so they dont feel anything when they kick on any parts of the opponent's body. There are a lot of other ways to acheive the same goal in kung-fu(with potions, but basically the same thing).

Most of the "masters" in kung-fu today dont have 50% of what their own masters had.. and im not trying to offend any1 here, but im pretty sure they would agree themselves.. so its only natural that today's muay thai fighters, who dont have much to teach to their students, are a lot more closer to the original muay thai than today's student are to kung-fu.

If u take any masters that created their own style a few hundred years ago compare to any muay thai fighter, its just game over.
muay thai fighters works on kicks, knees, elbows, thats it. Kung-fu works on all those, + the rest, up to fingers. enough said i think.
 

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stfu with all this nonsense of comparing styles and watch MMA lol as much as i am a fan of kung fu most of the forms ive seen/learned are uneffective its good to look at but no very effective when fighting where as muay thai is used in MMA ALOT and alot of the top fighters are well versed in it but muay thai alone cant be effective there are just so many other factors but comparing the two in terms of effectiveness hahahaha wake up kung fu fans IT WONT WORK
 

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Quote Split: The only reason muay thai is considered by many better than kung-fu is better it takes so little time to develop the very few techniques that muay thai has.

Muay thai has been simplefied for the sport. The traditional muay thai also uses a lot advanced elbow- kneestrikes and grappling moves including groundwork. Muay Thai is a combatsystem and kung fu is a fighting style.
 

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It doesnt change the fact which one takes longer time to practice, and it doesnt really put any argument in favor or muay thai or kung-fu.. anyways

and how is muay thai a combat system compare to kung-fu being a fighting style? hum..i beleive theres 5 schools of "fighting style" in Shaolin kung-fu only, which each gets divided after in at least 2.. if u want to talk about any kind of system, i think kung-fu should be the one called system.
 
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