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When Kurt Pellegrino freed himself of a rear-naked choke by face planting his opponent into the canvas at this past weekend's UFC 111 event, one question quickly came to mind: How in the hell did Fabricio Camoes survive that?

A second question soon followed: Isn't head-spiking illegal in mixed martial arts?

Sensing some confusion in the MMA community, the New Jersey State Athletic Board's Nick Lembo sent an email to MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) to explain why Pellegrino, who ultimately earned a submission victory, didn't run afoul of the rules.

As Lembo explains, the move was allowed because it didn't come in the form of an illegal "piledriver," a type of head spike in which a fighter has control over his opponent.

First things first, though.

UFC 111 took place March 27 at the Prudential Center in Newark, N.J., and Pellegrino vs. Camoes (thanks to the late cancellation of a Thiago Alves vs. Jon Fitch fight) was one of five bouts to air on the night's pay-per-view broadcast.

In the lightweight contest, Camoes took his opponent's back, secured his hooks, and worked for the rear-naked choke, all while Pellegrino remained in a standing position. Unable to shake free from his fellow jiu-jitsu ace, Pellegrino, who was already hunched over, dove into the mat and sent Camoes' head and neck crashing into the canvas.

The move knocked Camoes loose – and briefly knocked him out cold. He awoke quickly after getting tagged with a couple punches, and though the fight continued, Pellegrino ultimately ended the bout with his own rear-naked choke at the 4:20 mark of the second round.

The fact that Camoes was the one initiating the submission is an important point.

"It should be noted that when a fighter is placed into a submission hold by their opponent, if that fighter is capable of elevating their opponent, they may bring that opponent down in any fashion they desire because they are not in control of their opponent's body," Lembo wrote. "The fighter who is attempting the submission can either adjust their position or let go of the hold before being slammed to the canvas."

In other words, if you ride the bull, expect to get bucked. And if you do get bucked, you've only got yourself to blame for not letting go.

The series of events, of course, played out quite differently than another fairly recent high-profile example of head spiking. In a UFC 85 bout with Thales Leites, Nate Marquardt picked up his opponent, and in a move seemingly right out of the WWE, dropped the middleweight on his melon. Two costly point deductions ultimately resulted in a split-decision loss for Marquardt. Surprisingly, though, neither point deduction was due to the piledriver (the first came from kneeing a down opponent in the head and the second for strikes to the back of the head), but it did bring the topic of head spikes to the forefront.

But unlike Marquardt, Pellegrino wasn't attempting a piledriver, which is defined as "any throw where you control your opponent's body (while) placing his feet straight up in the air with his head straight down and then forcibly drive your opponent's head into the canvas or flooring material," as Lembo explained.
Has anyone even watched this fight?? Cuz i didn't... Surprised i haven't heard anything about this. Anyone want to Gif me the FacePlant?
 

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It was nasty bro. Ok Pellegrino had Camoes on his back with Camoes trying to secure the rear-naked. Pellegrino bent over to "shake" him of and got him high on his shoulders and BOOM! He landed on the side of his head.....I thought it broke his neck or at least hurt it
 

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Has anyone even watched this fight?? Cuz i didn't... Surprised i haven't heard anything about this. Anyone want to Gif me the FacePlant?
what do you mean did anyone watch this fight...it was on the main card. what is the point of watching the event if your going to walk out on it just because it has some fighters who arent at the "elite" level.
 

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Iono may he had to go to the bathroom? This isnt about "ELITE" or not its about the faceplant
 

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I thought the move was pretty legit, didn't realize people were questioning it. Props to Pellegrino for the escape and winning the fight.
This.

Great fight, but I had no idea that anything controversial was going on with it.
 

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well the way he worded it implies that this would be some boring fight and to go and take a 10minute break from the event.

just to get in a word for the faceplant... I saw nothing wrong with it, I think they are clarifying it mostly for the casual viewers. I didnt even hear any outbreak over this.
 

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I feel ya Spec I didnt get that from it tho....Im surprised it hasnt made it on here before now because it was a farcking great shot it got me pumped. I was yelling at the screen like some wrasslin fan lol
 

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Yea, I thought it was a great move as well.

I actually do something similar when someone gets my back when I'm turtled. If the reach around for arm control I'll trap an arm and roll them face first into the mat...normally works pretty well to get them off my back.
 

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People thought it was illegal? I've seen that plenty of times, just not to that degree of success. The most blatant head spike that no one ever seems to mention, not even the ref during the match, was Nate Marquardt doing it to Thales Leites. A piledriver is the only way I could possibly describe that move.
 

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People thought it was illegal? I've seen that plenty of times, just not to that degree of success.
Yeah, the people who do the sherdog radio show started this I think. Really just shows them to be retards it has been known that this isn't considered a piledriver for a long time and it happens a lot when someone tries to take the back of a standing opponent or doesn't flatten them out properly. It would happen more but it is dangerous for the person doing it as they can easily spike themselves.
 

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what do you mean did anyone watch this fight...it was on the main card. what is the point of watching the event if your going to walk out on it just because it has some fighters who arent at the "elite" level.
No need to be a douche... Dont insult me by trying to suggest i only watch big named fighters.

Iono may he had to go to the bathroom? This isnt about "ELITE" or not its about the faceplant
Something like that... i was outside arguing with a girl on the phone so im guessing that's when the fight took place cause i didn't leave any other time.

Im just surprised no one on this forum mentioned it or something or has a GIF of it.
 

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While reading this I was watching a replay of Marquart vs Leites by chance, and was about to bring up that piledriver before I read the end.
Good Explanation. I remember a crazy piledriver in a faber fight a year or two ago that MUST have been illegal.

That Pellegrino slam was SCARY. Seriously, I thought the dude might be dead for a split second there. BJJ guys take note, ffs let go if you are riding too high, I dont want to see that.
 
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