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I don't know if that's the correct spelling, but you know what I mean.

Anyway, I've seen these submissions attempted many different times, yet I've personally never seen anyone finish a fight with either move in the UFC. Could anyone tell me if they've seen it?
 

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Yeah, it seems like it's too easy to get out of, even if you're excellent at submissions. This was a question I've been wondering for a while so thanks for answering.
 

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I learned how to do it during one of my training sessions, and it is prob the hardest move to learn and sink in. Ive gotten it on a few guys before, and its VERY effective, but again, extremely hard to do
 
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