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Im not 100% sure who would win because ortiz as well as being a pretty good coach is a great fighter , he has been pissing off shamrock throughout the season though and this makes
ken unpredictable.Could go both ways , Ortiz could phsyc out shamrock and beat him or shamrock could take out his rage and explode on ortiz. All in all one things for sure... its gonna be a good match!​
 

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Well my freind you have stated your point very well. Never seen a pic of he that up close. Dint think it was that bad. Well that f*****g heart. If i have ever seen it
I'm not here to crush dreams or aspirations. I'm just here to get folks thinking. Just look at the sig.
 

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I think Ken Shamrock is kind of an idiot but I do have respect for the guy. I started to like Tito a little more after watching the show but he talks a whole lot of smack and Im not really into that. That is the only reason I hope Shamrock wins, however, I dont think he will. Tito is almost 10 years younger and Ken is way past his prime. He is nowhere near in the shape he needs to be especially to compete with Tito, who is in great shape. If it goes past the first round, Ken is in trouble. Shamrock of course does have a chance though, just not a huge one. ;)
 

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Tito or Shamrock..?

My prediction for this fight is Tito a By disgraceful beat down and knockout..!
The Ultimate Fighter 3 show exposed what I have always known and always said about Shamrock, "That Ken is more hype than fight..!" From the begining of the show Tito showed what a ultimate fighter mind set is all about. He embrased those he chosed with a team spirit and openly and genuinely shared his training philosiphy, giving everything he could in a short time frame. Everything he did, from the expert coaches he bought in to the personal pointers and suggestion he gave to each and every fighter on his team, was done in a professional matter and aimed at bring out the very best in eachone.. Ken Shamrock was Like his fighting -flat, and in my oppinion uncaring. Every decision he made was a mirror image of his training and fighting philosiphy, Flat, unprepared and not to well calculated..! ( Just look at his assistant coaching team) This is a guy who brags about having fighters and about his Lions Den Gym. He talks about respect and yet he gives none. At times he appeared lost and unknowing and gave his team nothing.. But, after every lost he blamed the fighters for not payying attention or training seriously or hard enough.. He even missed a training session and didn't even bother to apologize or give a reason why yet, is there fault -What nerve.! Everyone on that team (thought I'm sure hoped they were on Tito's team) forth with everything they had and respectfully represented team "Shamrock" Only Ed Herman -because he's a superior athlete- was able to overcome his opponents with the limmited training and direction he got from Shamrock.. From the begining Shamrock seemed self-obsorbed and self-centered and only seems to have taken part on the show to insure his rematch with Tito..This is apperent in the choosing of team names. Tito chose team punishment taking the focus of him and puting it on the fighters. Ken Chose -well we know what he chose.. Anyway because of thier different mind-set and thier respective training and fighting philosiphies and Tito's apperent love for the sport, I choose Tito to once again reign victorious..!
 

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Ken Shamrock is still quite skilled at submissions, particularly leg/toe locks. Tito, on the other hand, has only ever won one fight by submission in the octagon, and that was a neck crank against Yuki Kondo back in 2000. Tito is a wrestler/striker who has himself been defeated by a submission (guillotine choke by Guy Metzger). Granted, Tito is a better fighter than he was when he fought Metzger early on in his career, back in 1997, but you can't count out Shamrock's experience and ability to find a tapout by submission somewhere in the fight.

I'm quite sure Tito will win again by pounding Ken into raw meat, but I don't think we can write off the "old man" either.

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Ken Shamrock is still quite skilled at submissions, particularly leg/toe locks. Tito, on the other hand, has only ever won one fight by submission in the octagon, and that was a neck crank against Yuki Kondo back in 2000. Tito is a wrestler/striker who has himself been defeated by a submission (guillotine choke by Guy Metzger). Granted, Tito is a better fighter than he was when he fought Metzger early on in his career, back in 1997, but you can't count out Shamrock's experience and ability to find a tapout by submission somewhere in the fight.

I'm quite sure Tito will win again by pounding Ken into raw meat, but I don't think we can write off the "old man" either.

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Granted, anyone with a hart beat has a chance to win, but that's all I give Shamrock a hart beat.. If he wins this fight I would be absolutly Shocked.!!
I give Ken credit for longivity. But I can't for the life of me see were and how he got the Moniker "The worlds most dangerous Man" What Are they talking about,what makes him so dangerous, is it lack of deoreant, or is it his Breath..? But seriously, what has he done to desrve that name? He lost to Gracie, went over sea's to Japan where they see any American with a great physic as larger than life. In between he won the fights he won here and there were Boring. His "Super Fights" were virtual Hugfests. And even on his prime (though I admit that he was much better than average) he wasn't the stand out fighter of his time, It was Gracie, Sevran, Frye. Even Kimo who rarely forth and Tank Abbout were definatly more exciting fighter than ever was.. His best fights were over sea's where as I stated he was looked at as a God. The best fight I ever seen him in was his most resent againt Kimo,Where I have to admit he looked fantastic,totally rejuvinated, his best ever.. If he can bring that, he has a chance. But remember Tito is not Kimo, and his addittute and mind set on the Ultimate Fighter 3 Show, expossedwhat he's made off on the inside and truely I didn't see much there.. Unless of course he was doing what he claimed Tito was doing -Playing a part- Then he desrves an Oscar. he fooled everybody and Tito may actual get a fight..!
 

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How do you think will win? Im a big Shamrock fan and he will destroy Tito after this season of the Ultimate Fighter. All the little thing Tito says during the season will add fuel to the flames in the advantage of Shamrock. I think before the season is over we might see a litlle brawl betwee these to.

So who do you think will win??
i think that Tito is goin to do what he said...retire Shamrock. He needs to b/c tito is 1)a better fighter & 2)a better coach
 

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Yeah, Shamrock will destory him. I still havent decided if I want them to get pissed at each other during the show to wait till the fight...
NO, tito will destroy shamrock. did u see what tito did to ken the last time they fought? tito didnt even have a scratch on him. titos goin to win.
 

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My prediction for this fight is Tito a By disgraceful beat down and knockout..!
The Ultimate Fighter 3 show exposed what I have always known and always said about Shamrock, "That Ken is more hype than fight..!" From the begining of the show Tito showed what a ultimate fighter mind set is all about. He embrased those he chosed with a team spirit and openly and genuinely shared his training philosiphy, giving everything he could in a short time frame. Everything he did, from the expert coaches he bought in to the personal pointers and suggestion he gave to each and every fighter on his team, was done in a professional matter and aimed at bring out the very best in eachone.. Ken Shamrock was Like his fighting -flat, and in my oppinion uncaring. Every decision he made was a mirror image of his training and fighting philosiphy, Flat, unprepared and not to well calculated..! ( Just look at his assistant coaching team) This is a guy who brags about having fighters and about his Lions Den Gym. He talks about respect and yet he gives none. At times he appeared lost and unknowing and gave his team nothing.. But, after every lost he blamed the fighters for not payying attention or training seriously or hard enough.. He even missed a training session and didn't even bother to apologize or give a reason why yet, is there fault -What nerve.! Everyone on that team (thought I'm sure hoped they were on Tito's team) forth with everything they had and respectfully represented team "Shamrock" Only Ed Herman -because he's a superior athlete- was able to overcome his opponents with the limmited training and direction he got from Shamrock.. From the begining Shamrock seemed self-obsorbed and self-centered and only seems to have taken part on the show to insure his rematch with Tito..This is apperent in the choosing of team names. Tito chose team punishment taking the focus of him and puting it on the fighters. Ken Chose -well we know what he chose.. Anyway because of thier different mind-set and thier respective training and fighting philosiphies and Tito's apperent love for the sport, I choose Tito to once again reign victorious..!


I am with u 110%. Shamrock only wanted to coach to be able to fight Ortiz again. I hope tito does what he said...retire shamrock.tito is a hands on coach while ken just sits back a & watches his team train.in my opion kens team wasnt really a team.
 

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when Tito beat ken the first time, ken hadnt fought in a long time...

now that ken has had some more training time he will come out on top ... he had a lot of egg on his face the first time and under estimated Toto...lol...i dont think he will make the same mistakes twice!

Not true. he fights the way he trains his team on UFC3...crapy
 

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Yea Shamrock will own Tito, and after the fight he will say that he wasnt 100% from his "injury"

tito is goin to win AGAIN. u see how shamrock said ya he beat me up but it didnt hurt me??? YA right i could tell he was in pain just by looking @ his face.
 
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