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The UFC has signed German welterweight prospect, Pascal "Panzer" Krauss (9-0) to a four-fight deal according to GroundandPound.de. The undefeated submission specialist is expected to make his debut in November at UFC 122 in Oberhausen, Germany.


Anyone hear of this guy before?? Im kinda getting annoyed with the UFC signing people based on where they are from just for the fact that they are holding a show there. I can understand that its a good business move but i also feel that its somewhat unfair to other prospects. You can be a much better prospect but not get noticed because of where you were born.. I dunno i guess it just rubs me the wrong way.

Anyway if you know more about this guy feel free to educate me on him.
 

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The UFC has signed German welterweight prospect, Pascal "Panzer" Krauss (9-0) to a four-fight deal according to GroundandPound.de. The undefeated submission specialist is expected to make his debut in November at UFC 122 in Oberhausen, Germany.


Anyone hear of this guy before?? Im kinda getting annoyed with the UFC signing people based on where they are from just for the fact that they are holding a show there. I can understand that its a good business move but i also feel that its somewhat unfair to other prospects. You can be a much better prospect but not get noticed because of where you were born.. I dunno i guess it just rubs me the wrong way.

Anyway if you know more about this guy feel free to educate me on him.
I know what you are saying and i agree with it, but i'm not sure if this guy falls into that catagory. No doubt the timing is "convienient" what with 122 being in Germany - but the guy has got an impressive record with a lot of varied submission wins and held the Cage warriors WW title, so i think this guy is a genuine prospect - after all he is only 23.

I have more issues with the 30 year old + vets being signed for the event and then let go! That stuff makes no sense to me.
 

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I know what you are saying and i agree with it, but i'm not sure if this guy falls into that catagory. No doubt the timing is "convienient" what with 122 being in Germany - but the guy has got an impressive record with a lot of varied submission wins and held the Cage warriors WW title, so i think this guy is a genuine prospect - after all he is only 23.

I have more issues with the 30 year old + vets being signed for the event and then let go! That stuff makes no sense to me.
yeah i agree, i guess this guy doesn't bug me as much as some others have. Its just now i notice its becoming more and more common. Still though i have to wonder if he would be signed if they weren't going to Germany..
 

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Might be because he's from Germany and they're holding another show there, but he actually looks very talented. Nasty leg-kicks, some unorthodox striking, decent takedowns and some impressive submissions. He's unbeaten and has finished every one of his fights inside 2 rounds. Here's a highlight video of him:


Looks a real prospect AFAIC.
 

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Might be because he's from Germany and they're holding another show there, but he actually looks very talented. Nasty leg-kicks, some unorthodox striking, decent takedowns and some impressive submissions. He's unbeaten and has finished every one of his fights inside 2 rounds. Here's a highlight video of him:


Looks a real prospect AFAIC.
Honestly... and this might be because im always skeptical of prospects but i feel that the video shows he isnt ready for UFC lvl competition. Thats his highlight and nothing that i saw there would i expect to work against a UFC calibre opponent. Maybe in some years but i think this is too early for him. Anyway who knows, maybe il be eating my words soon enough.


Also i just checked his opponents record and other then his most recent win all his opponents have horrible records. Also his most recent win looks like he has a good record but i checked out his opponents and they are even worse. This guys record seems as padded as it gets to me. He will be outclassed i almost guarantee it.

Also something random + interesting + cool thing i just noticed looking at their opponents list. This guys most recent opponent who he beat has a victory over this man called "Paul Jenkins" I just looked at Paul jenkins record and it caught me off guard about how many fights he has. He doesnt a impressive record by any means and any opponent i recognize he has lost against BUT get this. The man has fought 17 times in 2003. He was fighting over once a month... and to top it off that wasnt the only year. Most of his years he has over 10 fights... that is super impressive considering most UFC fighters fight like 3x a year. What a bad ass... gotta give him credit for loving to fight lol
 

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Honestly... and this might be because im always skeptical of prospects but i feel that the video shows he isnt ready for UFC lvl competition. Thats his highlight and nothing that i saw there would i expect to work against a UFC calibre opponent. Maybe in some years but i think this is too early for him. Anyway who knows, maybe il be eating my words soon enough.


Also i just checked his opponents record and other then his most recent win all his opponents have horrible records. Also his most recent win looks like he has a good record but i checked out his opponents and they are even worse. This guys record seems as padded as it gets to me. He will be outclassed i almost guarantee it.

Also something random + interesting + cool thing i just noticed looking at their opponents list. This guys most recent opponent who he beat has a victory over this man called "Paul Jenkins" I just looked at Paul jenkins record and it caught me off guard about how many fights he has. He doesnt a impressive record by any means and any opponent i recognize he has lost against BUT get this. The man has fought 17 times in 2003. He was fighting over once a month... and to top it off that wasnt the only year. Most of his years he has over 10 fights... that is super impressive considering most UFC fighters fight like 3x a year. What a bad ass... gotta give him credit for loving to fight lol
They have the same problem in the NFL draft. You have many stars with great stats but they come from small schools and play against weak competition. It's a risk to draft them because you just don't know how they'll fair against the next level of competition.

But then you have to consider... why did these players go to these smaller schools? Why was this guy stuck outside of the UFC? In football, it could be as simple as some college scouts missed them. Thus, they couldn't get a fancy scholarship to college and couldn't afford to go to one of those bigger colleges. Or maybe they just weren't that good coming out of high school but then they really stepped up their game since coming into college. I'm a big fan of giving these guys a chance.

In the video, he displayed skills that can push many welterweights in the UFC, IMO. He's well rounded with striking (a good mixture of kicks and punches) and grappling (takedowns, subs, and ground n pound). It doesn't look like he has much KO power and he seems to have fairly weak ground n pound. Though, he throws frequently, so that may offset his power.
 

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Iam happy that the first german signed with ufc. I think he got signed because the event is in Germany. I hope he does well, but I dont expect too much from him.
 

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They have the same problem in the NFL draft. You have many stars with great stats but they come from small schools and play against weak competition. It's a risk to draft them because you just don't know how they'll fair against the next level of competition.

But then you have to consider... why did these players go to these smaller schools? Why was this guy stuck outside of the UFC? In football, it could be as simple as some college scouts missed them. Thus, they couldn't get a fancy scholarship to college and couldn't afford to go to one of those bigger colleges. Or maybe they just weren't that good coming out of high school but then they really stepped up their game since coming into college. I'm a big fan of giving these guys a chance.

In the video, he displayed skills that can push many welterweights in the UFC, IMO. He's well rounded with striking (a good mixture of kicks and punches) and grappling (takedowns, subs, and ground n pound). It doesn't look like he has much KO power and he seems to have fairly weak ground n pound. Though, he throws frequently, so that may offset his power.
I dont know, i dont think you can use football as a good example. Yes his area might not have the best competition but i would assume the same goes for his opponents then. Instead of his opponents having winning records because their facing horrible competition, they have horrible records WHILE facing horrible competition. With your logic this is likely the case and very realistic.

The reason this guy was OUTSIDE of the UFC is because he hasnt done anything deserving of being IN the UFC. He has NO notable wins, im not sure about his background in competitions but so far i havent seen anything impressive. If anyone knows if he has some kind of stats like "He placed first in blah blah blah Nationals" Then i would really be interested in that info. So far from what we know there is no reason for him to be in the UFC. At this point in his career maybe he belongs in bellator or strikeforce, something around there. The reason he IS in the UFC now is because he is German and has a 9-0 record. Your average fan sees 9-0 and gets amazed...

Lmao he displays skills that he can push alot of WW?? Do you even watch the UFC?? What WW could this guy push?? His pace isnt nothing compared to alot of the UFC's WW. His takedowns from what iv seen seem pretty weak and sloppy and his hands seem far from being good. He might have some decent kicks but without having fought better competition its hard to tell how decent they actually are. Im sorry but i think your Way of basis here.

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Iv been trying to find some background stuff on this guy and i cant find anything. Iv even checked his Wiki which i was hoping would have at least some bullshit on it that i can bring up for arguments sake but he doesn't even have that. As far as i can tell this guy hasnt had any competition experience other then his MMA bouts.
 

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Obviously I hope he can hang with the other undercarders in the UFC, but it's obvious they only signed him for UFC 122. If he loses I'm sure he'll be gone before he can step out of the octagon.
 

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Hope they give him a good opponent on ufc 122 so he can show his skills in the octagon. Think it's cool for this guy that he get's a shot and ofcourse when they give him this chance it will be in his homeland. Think they already wanted to invite him but waited for the ufc going to germany. Well, guess we have to wait till ufc 122 to start.
 

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This signing makes perfect sence, and the fact the UFC have a show in Germany was probably the deciding factor.

The UFC want local guys at shows, they like the hometown fighter story and this guy is no different, but that doesn't mean he's fodder, the UFC probably have their eyes on ALL the top prospects from every area of the globe, if and when the time is right they'll sign them, this guy probably would probably have to have had a few more fights if there wasn't a German show, but that's not to say the UFC are picking up American fighters in certian locations faster than they deserve just because there's a show in the fighters home city.

This has little to do with nationality and more to do with clever business.
 

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Iam happy that the first german signed with ufc. I think he got signed because the event is in Germany. I hope he does well, but I dont expect too much from him.
What about Dennis Siver?
 

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Siver and Sobotta have fought for the UFC, but Siver was born in Russia and Sobotta in Poland, so they're not 100% German. I believe Siver has Germany family, so he's pretty much German, but Krauss would be the first German-born fighter to fight for the UFC.
 

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Throw him in with a BJJ guy, it'll make for nice grappling and a good submission show.
 

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Throw him in with a BJJ guy, it'll make for nice grappling and a good submission show.
This. A fight with Dustin Hazelett is best imo. Dustins coming off two losses so will have to prove he's still able. And it gives Pascal a decent name, and a guy with a great ground game to test his skills against.
 
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This. A fight with Dustin Hazelett is best imo. Dustins coming off two losses so will have to prove he's still able. And it gives Pascal a decent name, and a guy with a great ground game to test his skills against.
Dustin Hazelett has said he is moving to 155 but i think that would have been a perfect fight otherwise.
This german guy looks like he has a skill set a bit like Shields (probably not on that level though!!). Not too much power in the hands but good at advancing his position on the ground and good subs.
Thats now 3 new signings (Krauss, Sass and Dong Yi Yang) i'm really looking forward to seeing in action!
Good work UFC!
 
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