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I don't believe muscularity has anything to do with finding nerve or pressure points which are close enough to the skin to find, hit or apply pressure. The reason that pressure points are not used in mma is because in the heat of battle it is virtually impossible to pinpoint your attack and effectively use the concept. It is unrealistic unless you have honed your skills over most of your lifetime. Maybe George Dillman or a Dim Mak master like Earl Montague could possibly pull it off but not the average mma practioner who wants to find an edge on the competition.

One more point, during a fairly static situation where one fighter is on top of the other you would think the opportunity for a nerve strike would arise. But just think of the adrenalin that is flowing and the fatigue factor. First, the adrenalin would obstruct much of the pain, a seasoned mma fighter is much more used to withstanding pain via submission than the average guy in the street, and second, fine skilled motor techniques are very difficult to pull off under such a stressfull fatiguing situation. Finding a dime or even quarter sized spot on a sweaty whirling dervish is a tall order.

Bottom line, you don't see anything in the octagon that isn't practical, doesn't work or pay big dividends.

 

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"Musularity has everything to do with where your pressurepoints the more muscular and rippen you are the closer it is to the surface making people more susceptable to these attacks."

Not neccessarily true. Points are close (relatively) to the skin no matter what bodystyle you have. Some people are different and some people are more or less impervious to pressure point pain. This I've seen for myself firsthand.


"And what do you mean you cant use an effective pressure point attack. What about the filtrum thats a pressure point and if punched can knock an opponent out. Along the cheek bone there are 4 pressure points which when crossed or hooked and hit simutaneously will also knock your opponent out. The solar plexus also when hit can cause substansial damage winding a person. Also a nerve cluster on the inside of the leg when hit will floor your opponent. etc neet i go on, these are all points that are commonly hit and are all pressure points."

I never said there weren't pressure points on the body, just that they are hard to target while someone is trying to KO or submit you. All the points you mention are there but who can pinpoint them in the middle of octagon chaos. If it were that elemental you'd see a lot of people reeling from pressure point attacks.

Is there an mma fighter out there that has that ability? I have yet to see him. The most common pressure point I've seen used successfully and commonly is the nerve about halfway down your upper leg which is targeted by muay thay type kicks. When hit often (K-1) and right on target it can cause immobility that will result in the inability to kick with that leg or maintain a strong base.

 

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"All those points are commonly hit by accident causing a knockout."

"Accident" being the operative word. I know you were talking about "that" nerve cluster, I was making the point that based on your list of pressure points that is the only one that is used on a regular basis with some degree of effectiveness. The others, though devastating at times, cannot be targeted successfully at a high percentage and thus pressure point usage in mma is a hit or miss proposition at best.

Bottom line, I don't see George Dillman and his co-horts being summoned to the Militich or Bas Ruttan's camp for pressure point seminars. There is too much out there that is much higher on the totem pole of effectiveness.

Street application against an unsuspecting adversary, that's a whole nother story and a whole nother thread.

 

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This from the UFC rules on their site. I don't see pressure points or anything similar described as a no-no. #12 comes the closest.


Fouls: [Top]
1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.