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DANIEL WOIRIN IS LYOTO AND SILVA's EX MUAY THAI TEACHER

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Riddum: Machida got leg kicked repeatedly by Shogun in their fight. On a purely technical level, how would you explain this? What mistakes did he make?

Lyoto comes from Karate, he's not used to checking leg kicks. I think he should have used front kicks, a technique he mastered. It would have been easier for him since Shogun was kicking with a very high guard and he was leaving openings on his body.
Closing the distance in order to clinch would also be an interesting solution, but Lyoto is more comfortable from a long range.
Important: blocking or checking a kick remains the most effective technique to neutralize them.

Riddum: "The Dragon" is known for his counters on leg kicks, especially with straight lefts. He knew that Shogun was coming into this fight with a great kicking game. Why couldn't he counter effectively in this particular fight?

Daniel Woirin: When I trained Lyoto Machida for Sokoudjou, I noticed that when Sokoudjou kicks, he stays right in front of his opponent. It was easier to counter him, since punches are faster than kicks.
Against Shogun, it was different. He was side stepping while kicking, so he wouldn't stay in front of Lyoto, making the counters more difficult. Also there was something else, which is pretty unorthodox in Muay Thai: he was kicking with a closed guard, without extending his arm, a bit like they do in Savate. And that limited the openings for counters even more.

Riddum: What can Lyoto do in the rematch in order to neutralize Shogun's leg kicks?

Daniel Woirin: The best solution would be to check them but the problem is, if he does that, he would have to go out of his game. If you want the leg checks to be effective, you need to have your feet planted on the ground. You cannot block while moving.
Lyoto cannot wait for Shogun's actions. He needs to take the initiative and concentrate on what he has to do. He can utilize front kicks. Side stepping while attacking can be a good solution for him as well, or he can close the distance to work the clinch. I think one of the keys to his victory will be his ability to do these and nullify Shogun's kicks.

Riddum: Like you said, Lyoto is more comfortable from a long range, but we get the impression from your answers that he will struggle to neutralize Shogun's leg kicks from there because of his Karate background and Shogun's side to side movements while kicking, etc. So my question is, do you think Machida will be able to neutralize Shogun's leg kicks from a long range? You had suggested the front kick but realistically, I don't think that Machida could/will throw so many of them for 5 rounds.

Daniel Woirin: If you look at all the "Muay Thai vs Karate" match-ups, the Muay Thai fighters only throw leg kicks and win most of the time. Lyoto will have to work from a long range or in close, otherwise he will expose himself a lot more [from mid-range].

Lyoto, as for most Karate practitioners, isn't used to being hit in the face. He comes in to strike, then goes back out quickly to be out of range. In Muay Thai, we work from a lot closer.
The paradox is since he's going to come from far and he'll expose himself as well, Shogun will anticipate and counter him with punches and kicks. Thus Lyoto will have to feint, utilize his speed and have technical variation in order to catch Shogun off guard. A real headache... This is the first time Lyoto is facing an opponent who's kicking so much! In my opinion, Lyoto's offenses will quickly determine the fight.

To answer your question, the long range is where he feels the most comfortable, even knowing that he'll have to expose himself. For the front kicks, it depends on his training. I know that he was working a lot on this technique in Belem.

Riddum: In an interview, Andre Dida, Shogun's Muay Thai coach, said something like he wished Machida would switch his style because it would create more openings for Shogun. Do you agree with him ?

Daniel Woirin: He isn't wrong. On a technical and tactical level, I don't think Lyoto is going to change things around drastically. And anyway, when the fight gets tougher, you go back to your roots! The rematch will come down to the mental aspect, the fighters' emotional control.

Riddum: For those who gave the first fight to Machida, there are some who argue that Shogun didn't deserve the victory because “leg kicks don't finish fights.” Do you agree with this statement?

Daniel Woirin: Leg kicks don't finish fights?! I disagree. The leg kick is a very effective technique. Look at the "Aldo vs. Faber" fight for instance. Faber survived because he is a warrior but if you look at the fight, the kicks made the difference for Aldo.
Now it also depends on the judging criteria. In Muay Thai for example, kicks score more points than punches.

Riddum: How do you see the rematch going striking wise (cage dynamics, fighters' game plans, etc.)?

Daniel Woirin: Shogun will be composed with his boxing, he'll continue to kick in order to take away Lyoto's legs and slow down his movement, which will make him more vulnerable. He will accelerate the rhythm at the end of each round in order to impress the judges.
As for Lyoto, I think that all this controversy around his win left a sour taste in his mouth and he'll be more offensive and try to show his superiority. He'll work from a long range and bank on his offense and speed. He'll have to feint in order to stay unpredictable and be able to surprise Shogun.

To me, this fight will come down to the each fighter's emotional control. Let me explain: on a technical and tactical level, I don't think there will be much of a difference, but there will be one on an emotional level. Shogun comes from Chute Boxe, a school where you are taught to have an aggressive and always coming forward style. If you look back on his last two fights, he was a lot more focused and he managed to stick to his game plan until the end. This is what caught Machida off guard, as he was expecting a more aggressive Shogun who would expose himself a lot more.

So I would say that if Machida wants to win this fight, he needs to come up with something that will affect Shogun emotionally, in order to get openings.

As for Mauricio Shogun, if he stays focused until the end of the fight, doesn't deviate from his game plan, and presses more at the end of each round, he will win this fight.

Riddum: What do you believe is the most under-utilized striking technique in MMA?

Daniel Woirin: There are several but the elbow strike is an under-utilized technique and not mastered, especially in the clinch.
If you had to rate these MMA fighters out of 10 for their striking technique, what would you give to:

Alistair Overeem?
8/10

Junior dos Santos?
8/10

Melvin Manhoef?
9/10

Lyoto Machida?
8/10

Dan Hardy?
7/10

Anderson Silva?
9/10

Jose Aldo?
7/10

Rashad Evans?
6/10

B.J. Penn?
6/10

Frankie Edgar?
6/10

Shogun?
8/10

Brett Rogers?
4/10

Fedor Emelianenko?
5/10

Georges St-Pierre?
8/10

Paul Daley?
8/10

Thiago Alves?
8/10

Cheick Kongo?
8/10

Cyrille Diabaté?
8/10

Rampage?
6/10
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Nice interview.

I can see JDS getting 5/10 will cause a few knicker twists. Personally, I dont consider JDS that good a striker. He just happens to be good for a HW.​
 

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Nice interview.

I can see JDS getting 5/10 will cause a few knicker twists. Personally, I dont consider JDS that good a striker. He just happens to be good for a HW.​
nah JDS is damn good but he doesn't really use anything but his hands so he gets a low ranking

although i don't agree with manhoef being a 9, everytime i see him fight he is throwing haymakers for punches but has got vicious kicks as was seen in the lawler fight
 

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thanks, interesting interview. DANIEL WOIRIN seems strangely impartial and not very optimistic to the upcoming fight.
 

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I agree with this only because I think this is going to come down to who is in the fight mentally. Machida was hit a lot more than normal in the last fight and he will not have the same fear or uneasiness that he is used to receiving from opponents Shogun might over-rate his skills and get countered all night by Machida. Machida might be looking to prove something and mess up. Shogun could come in with the wrong gameplan this time, whether it be the same one from last time or a different one. This is no longer a fight between different skills so much as a mental fight IMO. Whoever shows up with the right attitude takes it away from his opponent.
 

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Excellent interview! Daniel is the man, trained some huge names in brazilian mma.

Btw his rankings have been changed in the original article so I'm going to update the OP.
 

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Nice interview.

I can see JDS getting 5/10 will cause a few knicker twists. Personally, I dont consider JDS that good a striker. He just happens to be good for a HW.​
shows him as an 8 here.... and thats about right...

no cain striking ranking? :( underestimated

seems to highly overvalue ppl from k1 or other striking sports.

mma striking isnt k1 striking, if you dont adjust you get owned in other ways.

but allistar and melvin both know all about that.
 

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Interesting article.

But this guy loses all credibility when he rates the striking abilities. Paul Daley should clearly be rated 11/10... ;p
 

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Nice interview.

I can see JDS getting 5/10 will cause a few knicker twists. Personally, I dont consider JDS that good a striker. He just happens to be good for a HW.​
I thought it said 8/10 for JDS, but 5/10 for Fedor. Was there a mistake before?
 

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He seems to rate people on whether or not they're Muay Thai Strikers. Daley getting such a high score blows my mind though.


Plus if you look at effectiveness this score is way messed up. Fedor and JDS being 10x as effective in their striking their last couple of fights compared to Silva, who wasn't able to KO Maia, Leites, or Cote, for example.


Very strange that he's clearly pulling for Shogun. I wonder why? Maybe because Shogun represents Brazil and Muay Thai and Lyoto represents Karate (although being half brazilian). Who knows.
 

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I thought it said 8/10 for JDS, but 5/10 for Fedor. Was there a mistake before?
shows him as an 8 here.... and thats about right...

no cain striking ranking? :( underestimated

seems to highly overvalue ppl from k1 or other striking sports.

mma striking isnt k1 striking, if you dont adjust you get owned in other ways.

but allistar and melvin both know all about that.
Maybe there was a mistake. Its been updated on the website.
 

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Great interview. Very informative. Its kind of odd how impartial he seems about this fight considering hes helped train Lyoto, its a very refreshing take though. This is already the fight of the year for me and it hasn't even happened yet.
 

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I LOL'd at Hardy being rated higher than BJ Penn. This guy is a joke.
 

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I LOL'd at Hardy being rated higher than BJ Penn. This guy is a joke.
I think he was rating fighters more based on how technically excellent their Muay Thai was as opposed to how effective their standup is in an actual MMA match. That being said, BJ Penn's standup is superior to Dan Hardy's in every way. Maybe his view is a bit skewed since BJ lost to Frankie Edgar in a standup fight recently :dunno:.
 

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His perspective of the fight is interesting, as he trained Machida, but seems to favor Shogun. The thing that scares me about this fight is, if Machida comes out and is victorious again, who else comes close to a shot?! Shogun is easily the best contender, how does the UFC up the competition and keep Lyoto interested?
 

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His perspective of the fight is interesting, as he trained Machida, but seems to favor Shogun. The thing that scares me about this fight is, if Machida comes out and is victorious again, who else comes close to a shot?! Shogun is easily the best contender, how does the UFC up the competition and keep Lyoto interested?
205 is so stacked. Lyoto (although he won't be champ) has interesting matchups in Lil Nog, Forrest and Rampage and down the line has matchups with the up and comers in Jon Jones and Bader.


Honestly I'd love Jardine vs Lyoto too, to see if Lyoto easily figures out the goblin style.
 

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You could make a case for it. BJ rarely if ever user kicks and he cant check one.
Yeah, BJ has good boxing, but as far as MMA full-arsenal striking; punches, elbows, knees & kicks, BJ is a bit under-par. That KO high kick against Florian was one of the first times I've ever seen him high kick. BJ does do some jumping knees, but 98% of his stand up is strictly boxing.
 

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205 is so stacked. Lyoto (although he won't be champ) has interesting matchups in Lil Nog, Forrest and Rampage and down the line has matchups with the up and comers in Jon Jones and Bader.


Honestly I'd love Jardine vs Lyoto too, to see if Lyoto easily figures out the goblin style.
You really think Jardine will ever get a title shot in that weight class? I wish because he seems like a cool guy and is entertaining to watch, but unfortunately he just is not consistent enough for me.
 

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205 is so stacked. Lyoto (although he won't be champ) has interesting matchups in Lil Nog, Forrest and Rampage and down the line has matchups with the up and comers in Jon Jones and Bader.


Honestly I'd love Jardine vs Lyoto too, to see if Lyoto easily figures out the goblin style.
Lesser fighters have bettered Jardines nipple-twist-fu, so I wouldn't see why Lyoto wouldn't have a field day with him.
 
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