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NEWARK, N.J. – The New Jersey State Athletic Control Board issued medical suspensions to six of the competitors from Saturday night's "UFC 111: St-Pierre vs. Hardy" event, and an additional suspension was issued for disciplinary reasons.

The NJSACB today distributed the list of medical and disciplinary suspensions to MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com).

UFC 111 took place Saturday night at the Prudential Center in Newark, N.J., and aired on Spike TV (two preliminary-card fights) and then pay-per-view (main card).

Middleweight Rousimar Palhares, who defeated Tomasz Drwal via heel-hook, was suspended 90 days for failing to release the hold. The dangerous lock, which can quickly cause serious damage to the knee of a competitor, is often banned in lower-level competitions. Palhares latched on to Drwal and cranked hard even as the Polish slugger tapped repeatedly. Palhares had to be pried off of his foe by referee Kevin Mulhall before finally releasing the hold.

Drwal, who was moaning in agony following the maneuver, is suspended indefinitely pending an X-ray of his left knee and ankle.

Matthew Riddle, who was well on his way to a decision victory before opponent Greg Soto was disqualified for an intentional illegal upkick, leads the list of medical suspensions. Riddle is out indefinitely after being unable to continue following the strike. Riddle will need a clear CT scan before returning to action.

Frank Mir, Mark Bocek, Rory Markham and Jared Hamman also received lesser orders.

The full list of suspensions included:
Frank Mir: Suspended 30 days for precautionary reasons
Mark Bocek: Suspended 30 days for scalp laceration
Rory Markham: Suspended 30 days for facial laceration
Rousimar Palhares: Suspended 90 days for not releasing submission
Tomasz Drwal: Suspended indefinitely pending X-ray of left knee and ankle
Jared Hamman: Suspended indefinitely pending X-rays of right foot; also suspended minimum of 60 days due to lacerations on right foot
Matthew Riddle: Suspended indefinitely pending CT scan
http://mmajunkie.com/news/18482/ufc...sciplinary-action-riddle-out-indefinitely.mma

I didn't think he held the sub that long. I guess he did :/
 

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IMO. Should be a lot longer suspension. He held that on through his opponent tapping and kept holding as the ref was pulling on him to stop.
 

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The problem isn't that he held the sub to long, it is that he continued to crank it further after the tap IMO. Yeah, I know that the rules are to continue until the ref stops you, but it is completely ridiculous to crank a heal hook further and further after a tap.

It is complete bullshit. He could have simply held the heel hook at the same position after the tap, to ensure the win. Instead, the big retard cranked it further to intentionally cause damage.

I have no respect for Palhares because of this, and hope he is cut. He gives MMA a bad name IMO, and I don't want to see him again.
 

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Oh i didnt see him crank it harder, i should take another look. I thought he was just holding it. I must be wrong since hes getting suspended. Any leg locks suck and could really ruin career's. I hope it didnt cause a serious injury.
 

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unless he was on methamphetamines, he should've felt the tap about 10 times; yet he didnt let go. I'm not familiar with bjj, but I would imagine its pretty standard/sportsmanlike to recognize the tap; a top level bjj guy would not be in doubt right there to hold on for so long
 

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unless he was on methamphetamines, he should've felt the tap about 10 times; yet he didnt let go. I'm not familiar with bjj, but I would imagine its pretty standard/sportsmanlike to recognize the tap; a top level bjj guy would not be in doubt right there to hold on for so long
I do BJJ regularly and i know Palhares should have let go sooner or not have continued to crank. But sometimes even when your just rolling in the gym your very focused on what your doing, especially when your close to getting a sub and its pretty common to not feel a tap.

I myself tap with my hand and verbally tap so things like this don't happen. In a real fight like this adrenaline could have just taken over.
 

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unless he was on methamphetamines, he should've felt the tap about 10 times; yet he didnt let go. I'm not familiar with bjj, but I would imagine its pretty standard/sportsmanlike to recognize the tap; a top level bjj guy would not be in doubt right there to hold on for so long
not his job to let go because he feels a tap. in fact, that's the opposite of his job, and a very risky mindset for a fighter to adopt. the suspension is because he didn't let go when the ref told him to (although it was not that long, he definitely ignored the ref at first), and some blame also lies with the ref here for taking so long to see the tap and order palhares to release.
 

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Joe Rogan is on crack, he held it for maximum 2 seconds after the ref came in to break.

You cannot watch a slow mo replay and start counting after the first poke in the tap. One poke is not a tap, 3+ pokes is a tap!

I watched the whole thing slowed down (not replay but accual fight) and the tap was completed when the clock stood at 4:16, the ref came in at the end of the same second (still 4:16). Then they removed the clock display from the screen, so I took a stop watch and tried to measure the time from when the ref came and Palhares released (this time in real speed ofc) to the best of my ability to measure it was about 1.4 seconds unessecary time.

It's still too long but with the adrenaline flowing, just at the start of the fight, I can imagine your not exactly focusing on the ref all the time. The thing is it all happened so damn fast.

4:21 Palhares lands on top on Drwal
4:18 Palhares initiates leglock
4:17 Palhares completes the leglock and Drwal imediately begins to tap
4:16 Drwal finishes the tap (ie completes the 3+ long sequence of pokes) and ref starts moving

UFC removes the clock from display, the rest is based on my stop watch (NOT 100% accurate)

4:15 Ref arrives and tries to seperate
4:14 Palhares release (after ref pulled his arm for almost 1 second)

Still, shame on Palhares but it's not exactly murder here, were talking about 1-2 seconds and those go by real fast in these extreme situations. these fighters train so much and so hard, completely focusing on beating there oponent for months before the fight. When it all goes down so quick I think its excusable to be a little distracted.

What I'm saying is I don't think Palhares did this intentionally to hurt Drwal, he was beeing sloppy and probably had tunnel vision because his moment to fight had finally arrived and he knew he had a fight ending submisson on. He wasent about to let it go untill he knew that it had won him the fight.

I can guarantee nobody would be talking about this if it wasen't for Joe Rogans exagerrated commentary (five seconds lol).
 

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I can guarantee nobody would be talking about this if it wasen't for Joe Rogans exagerrated commentary (five seconds lol).
joe rogan is completely right though. those 2 extra seconds may have cost drwal his career. the heel hook is the most dangerous joint submission you can do, a few seconds is all it takes to completely rip a fighters knee apart. this may be a sport about punishing your opponent, but ensuring a fighters safety is very important.

imo this was much worse than when babalu held in the choke for a few extra seconds. palhares is lucky to only receive a 90 day suspension.
 

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joe rogan is completely right though. those 2 extra seconds may have cost drwal his career. the heel hook is the most dangerous joint submission you can do, a few seconds is all it takes to completely rip a fighters knee apart. this may be a sport about punishing your opponent, but ensuring a fighters safety is very important.
I canno't blame him for the time he held it, it was not that bad, and my measurements were not generous (to Palhares), the real extra time held was probably closer to 1 second.

What I do blame him for is keeping full pressure on the heel hook the last 1.5 seconds. He should have eased up on the cranking the very moment he felt a tap, then released after he was 100% sure the ref had stopped the fight.

I'm just contemplating if any kind of leg locks should just get banned, trust me this will happen again. When the heel hook is applied it causes damage faster then the ref can handle in many cases.

imo this was much worse than when babalu held in the choke for a few extra seconds. palhares is lucky to only receive a 90 day suspension.
Babalu was clearly intentional, I just think palhares was overly eager/sloppy. Besides, people can die from chockes but not leg locks. Still I agree that this was more dangerous to the fighters career (but not his life).
 

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Palhares is one of those guys who really cranks on his submissions and makes sure he finishes them. The ref should have been ready for that quick heel hook and should have been there a little faster, but Palhares is a pro and knows what he's doing. You cant go around ending guys careers (not that he did here as far as I know). The suspension is justified, if not merciful. Still, I cant wait to see him fight again.

Man did I feel bad for that poor guy slipping on the stupid logo in the center of the cage only to get his leg damn near ripped off a few seconds later. Bad day for that guy.
 

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PPL who go for the damage in an official fights should get punished, and so did Rousmir. A lot of blame should go the the shitty referee as well.
 

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Aren't like all "leg lock guys" known for this stuff?

Those lower body submissions are just dangerous in general. I mean even if you look at fights to where dude doesn't hold onto for that long and breaks after the tap, the opponent is still severely hurt.

Not defending Palhares, but to be honest, it wasn't as long as Rogan made it out to be, and it's not really Palhares job to be paying attention if his opponent taps. The ref took forever to stop the fight.
 

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Whats the point of a 90 day suspension, if fighters usually fight once in 3 months? Or is there something else at stake?
 

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Can't really say he cranked it though.. he could have been trying to keep it secure until the ref stopped the fight.

I don't think Rousimar blatently hurt this guy.

Fight until the ref pulls you off.

The ref was way to far away.

The ref should be suspended. Not Palhares. IMO.


The funniest part of Joe Rogans commentary is when he was like....."he held that wayyyyy tooo long!!!!" "let's look at the replay......1234567 seconds!!!! that's ridiculous......"

he was counting the seconds fast while the replay was in slow motion... lol
 
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