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yeah i seen this live...was mad crazy
 

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i see the stoppage on this was a little more plausable then the tito/shamrock fight at ufc 61
 

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well it happened and if he feels he could havebeat ortiz then he must fight him again to prove me wrong...cuz i feel ortiz would have whopped him anyways
 

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Rush said:
True there. It seemed like Ken Shamrock was terribly robbed at UFC 61. Herb Dean is a cautious guy you know.
I don't know about Herb Dean anymore. I was VERY suprised when I saw that he was the ref for Tito / Ken II. And we all know what happened there. You can't knock the guy for being on the safe side...but give things some time. Go watch Big John footage please. :thumbsup:
 
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