I don't know about Herb Dean anymore. I was VERY suprised when I saw that he was the ref for Tito / Ken II. And we all know what happened there. You can't knock the guy for being on the safe side...but give things some time. Go watch Big John footage please. :thumbsup:Rush said:True there. It seemed like Ken Shamrock was terribly robbed at UFC 61. Herb Dean is a cautious guy you know.