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im talking about penn, gsp & silva... who mounts the most serious challenge at their next prospective weights? what would be an ideal fight for you

silva vs shogun (after shogun hopefully beats machida)
gsp vs marquadt or sonnen, i think if silva left this divsion, gsp could potentially take the title, so many intresting fights for him there
penn vs alves, fitch... so many hard fights for penn here... im not sure his frame can fit the WW scene

biggest threat to the next weight divisions title = silva
 

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I know they said they wouldn't fight, but I think that Silva v Machida would be a really interesting fight.

GSP v Sonnen would be VERY interesting, might be a little boring, but interesting all the same.

And I'd actually like to see Penn v Daley, just to see how he handles the striking, still see Penn taking it though.
 

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I think Silva would be the biggest threat. I think Penns problem would be size but I think his skills could get him to the title as long as GSP moved up. I think GSP could get to the title (if Silva moved up) with his wrestling but I don't think he would dominate in the same way he has at WW. I think Silva can move up and look just as if not more impressive at LHW, and not need anyone to move out of the weight class to get to the title.
Silva vs Shogun
GSP vs Maia
BJ vs Kos
Would love to see any of those fights!
 

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GSP is lucky MW is a weak divison. His chin dont hold up enough at MW as he wont be able to pin guys like Belfort down.
 

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If BJ put on the size to close to gap with the rest of the WWs and puts on about 10-15 more pounds of lean muscle (while retaining the cardio he has at 155) then he's easily the biggest threat. He has heavy hands while his standup is very technical and very accurate (whereas the big WW hitters are more wild); he has the best TDD in MMA and has proven that he has a chin made out of granite. Even if a fight goes to the ground, his BJJ is sick. An undersized and out of shape BJ almost beat GSP once (their split decision the first time) which is something no other WW contender has come close to doing... and BJ actually held the WW belt once already.

Anderson has shown great KO power at LHW but he showcased it against guys who mostly stand and bang. Will he be able to avoid the TDs of the more complete LHWs? How will he fair on the ground? Hendo and Lutter held it down for quite a long time.

As far as GSP goes, I do not see his takedown/ground control strategy working that well against the much bigger MWs. I think he's going to have a harder time getting TDs; he's going to be forced to mix it up more with his standup game and the MWs hit a lot harder than Matt Serra. :) Even if he gets TDs, there are BJJ KILLERS at MW in Maia and Palhares lurking. Also, with Anderson leaving MW for LHW, I'm guessing there are going to be a lot of LHWs finding ways to make the MW cut.
 

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In my opinion MW is the weakest of the 3 divisions. I think Penn would have the hardest time with the size difference because he is the least fit for a move up. (funny how he has moved up to WW and actually won the belt, being the least fit to move up, shows how good he is). In the end I think all 3 have a solid chance and winning the belt.

I feel Anderson has the best shot because no top LHWs are that strong of wrestlers besides Rashad. So basically most all of his fights would be stand up wars, in which he holds perhaps the best stand up. But I definatly think LHW has the best fighters especially if he were open to fighting Machida.

I feel there are some big MWs in there. Belfort, Sonnen, and Marquardt are all big, GSP wouldn't fight Marquardt though. Maia fight would be interesting too if it could get to the ground.

BJ, I think has more skill than anyone at WW, but size does matter. Guys like Fitch or Kos could most likely get him to the ground and stay out of subs. If BJ put on the right weight he could dominate the division. Would be interesting to see what he does if hit with a power shot from Daley or Alves though.
 

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I think Silva can move up and look just as if not more impressive at LHW, and not need anyone to move out of the weight class to get to the title.
That is what is so amazing. If they were all to move up Anderson wouldn't be entering a division where the top guy is also moving up, unlike Penn and GSP. Plus he would be moving up to the toughest division with studs at the top....and people still think he would have the best shot at winning it....that is amazing and why he is so great.

No one holds Anderson's jock in P4P ranking because odds are he can move up to the toughest class as still look just as good.
 

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I think all 3 would have a good shot but would not be garunteed to win titles in the weight class above them. I would love to see Penn vs Fitch, Alves, or Kos and I think if Penn could put on some size and strength the right way without losing cardio he would be successful against them all but Alves would pose the most problems cuz of the leg kicks which i think would be very effective against Penn.

I think GSP would do exactly what Sonnen did to Marquardt but it doesn matter cuz they wont fight anyway... against the rest of the division I still dont see anyone as well rounded as GSP but the strength of the MW would make it harder for him to remain in top control for the whole bout like he can to the WW so it would be very interesting. I would love to see him fight Belfort, Wanderlei, Sonnen, and more cuz there are many interesting matchups for him.

I would have an orgasm if Anderson were to fight Shogun lol. He won't fight Machida and as far as him being the man in the division I say its likely... He puts on the size very well and basically looks even more dominating due to his increased KO power... this man really is a total beast and there isn much else to say
 

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I think GSP and BJ would have a harder time than Silva, just because they would need to add some weight on them before going up. Silva seems to be very comfortable at LHW, doesn't seem to have any problem with the weight.
Penn has fought at WW but, except GSP, but not recently.WW these days are huge-powerful fighters (Alves, Kos, Rumble, Daley, Hardy) and he would need to bulk up seriously.
A s for GSP i don't know. He is the only one out of these 3, not to have fought at a higher weightclass than his current one. I think it's the same thing as BJ. He would need to put some muscle on him, without losing his cardio and speed.
As for dream fights for these 3:
Silva - Jones
GSP - Maia
BJ - Thiago Alves
 

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out of the three i'd say penn would struggle the most. he'd have a hard time dealing with the top wrestlers like koschek and fitch. plus the strikers with tdd like anthony johnson and thiago alves. he could probably become a top5 ww, but i doubt he'd be capturing the title.

gsp would do very well at mw. he'd dominate pretty much everyone with his wrestling. he'd struggle against sonnen though, i think sonnen's size would be too much. i'd love to see how gsp would deal with maia and palhares. we've never really seen him against someone with a dangerous guard.

A.silva would be the favirote in pretty much every fight at lhw. shogun and machida would pose the biggest threats, but i like silva's odds.
 

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silva would have to fight shogun but he would be no problem for silva. silva would dominate at LW.

gsp would do well but sonnen Daemon and nate the great may be able to beat him.

BJ would do well but i would love to see him fight thiago so he can test bj's chin.
 

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Anderson ~
Rampage(one punch, anderson sleeps)
Shogun(very tough fight, is he prepared for a scrap with shogun)
Rashad(if he took anderson down and hit him, its over), Lyoto(not willing to fight him, doesnt mean he would have a chance)

GSP~
Wanderlei ~ (Seriously??)
Belfort ~ (SERIOUSLY?????)
Maia/Palhares (please take either of these down, and leave without a limb)

BJ~ Hasn't even beaten Frankie Edgar yet, and needs to worry about his own division!!
plus Kos, Fitch, Alves,and Rumble have been mentioned prior, they are too powerful for BJ.


P.S [email protected] is the funniest thing ive ever heard.
not to mention Lesnar and Carwin would GnP his head through the octagon floor, he couldnt get past JDS or Velasquez to reach them in the first place. Like Caeser sending Gladiators against a pride of Lions in the Colloseam :thumbsdown:
 

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Anderson ~
Rampage(one punch, anderson sleeps)
Shogun(very tough fight, is he prepared for a scrap with shogun)
Rashad(if he took anderson down and hit him, its over), Lyoto(not willing to fight him, doesnt mean he would have a chance)


BJ~ Hasn't even beaten Frankie Edgar yet, and needs to worry about his own division!!
plus Kos, Fitch, Alves,and Rumble have been mentioned prior, they are too powerful for BJ.
Wow man, have you ever watched any of these guys fight?

Rampage putting Silva to sleep is pretty funny. Sure it could happen but Rampage's striking looks like an amateur compared to Silva. Silva would handle him easily as Rampage really only ever uses his boxing and rarely even uses his wrestling ability. Rampage has a good chin but it would have to be at his best to get past the laser guided fists of Anderson Silva. I mean look how Forrest beat Rampage, he moved in and out and picked him apart with jabs and leg kicks. Forrest doesn't move anywhere near as good as Silva does.

Assuming that Silva wouldn't fight Machida, Shogun would probably be his toughest opponent at LHW. That said, Shogun probably believes he can out strike Silva which would be a mistake. Shogun doesn't have the greatest take downs either and I'm not even sure his ground game is as good as Silva's, at least I'm confident Shogun wouldn't have an advantage there anyway. if Shogun came in at the top of game he could make a fight out of it but other than that he'd get put to sleep.

Rashad vs. Silva really isn't even worth talking about and I'm a fan of Rashad. Look at the fight with Thiago Silva and just how unimpressive Rashad was. Sure he got the decision but he didn't do any damage and almost got finished in the third round via getting out struck. Had that been a 5 round fight I think Thiago would have beaten him as Rashad really struggled in that 3rd round.

And do you really think that BJ Penn has to prove himself against Frankie Edgar? No disrespect to Edgar but I think both Kenny and Sanchez are better fighters than him and BJ dominated them both. BJ would have no problems beating most of the WW division though there are a couple guys that could make a fight out of it and give him problems. A lot of the WW division is composed of fighters that fight the same way as GSP only no where near as good. BJ's TDD alone gives him an advantage over a lot of those wrestlers because none of them are going to out strike BJ. He can't beat GSP but he wouldn't have to if GSP moved up.
 
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GSP is lucky MW is a weak divison. His chin dont hold up enough at MW as he wont be able to pin guys like Belfort down.
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so if the three p4p... 04-07-2010 09:09 PM no
so if the three p4p... 04-07-2010 04:29 PM You are a ******* idiot. Kill yourself retard.


in my rep after posting that...wtf is that about :sarcastic12:
 

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Wow man, have you ever watched any of these guys fight?

Rampage putting Silva to sleep is pretty funny. Sure it could happen but Rampage's striking looks like an amateur compared to Silva. Silva would handle him easily as Rampage really only ever uses his boxing and rarely even uses his wrestling ability. Rampage has a good chin but it would have to be at his best to get past the laser guided fists of Anderson Silva. I mean look how Forrest beat Rampage, he moved in and out and picked him apart with jabs and leg kicks. Forrest doesn't move anywhere near as good as Silva does.

Assuming that Silva wouldn't fight Machida, Shogun would probably be his toughest opponent at LHW. That said, Shogun probably believes he can out strike Silva which would be a mistake. Shogun doesn't have the greatest take downs either and I'm not even sure his ground game is as good as Silva's, at least I'm confident Shogun wouldn't have an advantage there anyway. if Shogun came in at the top of game he could make a fight out of it but other than that he'd get put to sleep.

Rashad vs. Silva really isn't even worth talking about and I'm a fan of Rashad. Look at the fight with Thiago Silva and just how unimpressive Rashad was. Sure he got the decision but he didn't do any damage and almost got finished in the third round via getting out struck. Had that been a 5 round fight I think Thiago would have beaten him as Rashad really struggled in that 3rd round.

And do you really think that BJ Penn has to prove himself against Frankie Edgar? No disrespect to Edgar but I think both Kenny and Sanchez are better fighters than him and BJ dominated them both. BJ would have no problems beating most of the WW division though there are a couple guys that could make a fight out of it and give him problems. A lot of the WW division is composed of fighters that fight the same way as GSP only no where near as good. BJ's TDD alone gives him an advantage over a lot of those wrestlers because none of them are going to out strike BJ. He can't beat GSP but he wouldn't have to if GSP moved up.
you need to learn to Read carefully.
and dont query what i do and dont know, because now i will school you.

fact is, is Rampage Hits him, it is gonna be a KO, granted forrest held him up, but Rampage never showed up for that fight with the right game plan. he let forrest batter his legs for 5 rounds and accepted it, without landing a convincing shot all fight. possibly the worst ive seen rampage in his career.

as for rashad, granted he may have the smallest chance of beating silva compared to the others i mentioned, but if he takes anderson down, it wont take too many shots to end it.

shogun will come out for a war, which IMO anderson will not like at all. yeah ill give anderson the ground advantage, but he has to get rua down in the first place, which will be a harder task than keeping him there.

i really have no problem with anderson, he is a graceful, master of the sport, and a favorite of mine, but when i here stupid comments about him owning every fighter that comes along, well it kinda winds me up, seeing as he hasnt fought or beaten any of them as yet. and in this sport, anything can happen.
Maybe it is you, who hasnt seen any of these fight?

as for BJ, i never said he had anything to prove, but edgar has a title shot and deserves a bit more respect i think, he is a fighter with a lion heart. something florian lacked, when he folded under the pressure.
as for sanchez, well sanchez never showed up, and still managed 5 rounds only being stopped by a cut, again, not sayin it wasnt a dominant performance from BJ, but be honest, did you expect sanchez to shy away from a war on the feet, i certainly didnt.
BJ must concentrate on his own division right now, before moving up to a weight he hasnt won in for a while, and where the competition is much better than when he had fought WW.
IMO anyways :thumb02:
 

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I know they said they wouldn't fight, but I think that Silva v Machida would be a really interesting fight.

GSP v Sonnen would be VERY interesting, might be a little boring, but interesting all the same.

And I'd actually like to see Penn v Daley, just to see how he handles the striking, still see Penn taking it though.
You actually think that GSP and Sonnen would be a little boring and not Anderson and Machida, two counter strikers fighting, i think that would be boring as hell.
 

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you need to learn to Read carefully.
and dont query what i do and dont know, because now i will school you.


shogun will come out for a war, which IMO anderson will not like at all. yeah ill give anderson the ground advantage, but he has to get rua down in the first place, which will be a harder task than keeping him there.


Maybe it is you, who hasnt seen any of these fight?
Why would Anderson take Shogun down? His stand up is better than Shogun's. My point was that there is no where that Shogun is better than Silva. At best he may be equal in some aspects of the game.
 

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Anderson ~
Rampage(one punch, anderson sleeps)
Shogun(very tough fight, is he prepared for a scrap with shogun)
Rashad(if he took anderson down and hit him, its over), Lyoto(not willing to fight him, doesnt mean he would have a chance)

GSP~
Wanderlei ~ (Seriously??)
Belfort ~ (SERIOUSLY?????)
Maia/Palhares (please take either of these down, and leave without a limb)

BJ~ Hasn't even beaten Frankie Edgar yet, and needs to worry about his own division!!
plus Kos, Fitch, Alves,and Rumble have been mentioned prior, they are too powerful for BJ.


P.S [email protected] is the funniest thing ive ever heard.
not to mention Lesnar and Carwin would GnP his head through the octagon floor, he couldnt get past JDS or Velasquez to reach them in the first place. Like Caeser sending Gladiators against a pride of Lions in the Colloseam :thumbsdown:

Rampage was owned by both Wanderlei(twice) and Shogun. I have a feeling you didn't watch PRIDE. Silva beats him easily.

Why would Anderson take Shogun down? His stand up is better than Shogun's. My point was that there is no where that Shogun is better than Silva. At best he may be equal in some aspects of the game.
I'd say he's better at submissions narrowly. People always forget Shogun has a sick ground game.
 
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