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I kind of think that GSP was too nice and he did not really intend to break Dan Hardy's arm. I just can't believe that he had those submissions locked down that tight and somehow lost it. I think he let go like when Matt Hughes let Gracie's arm go. Anyone agree?
 

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Not at all. Hardy has been working on his sub defense and is one stubborn SOB and refused to tap. He got out of those sub attempts, GSP didn't let it go
 

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Wouldn't be too surprised if GSP did let go, since he was dominating this fight, and he would prefer to let go, than injuring his opponent.
 

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Why would he let go? There is a POSSIBILITY he let go of the kimura because he knew Hardy wasn't going to tap, but Hardy most definitely got out of that armbar.
and again, why would he let Hardy go? If GSP could've finished him, I'm pretty sure he would've. Everyone wants to win the fight as soon as possible so that there isn't a possibility of the tables turning
 

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GSP said in the post-fight conference that he didn't let it go, and was trying really trying to hurt Hardy and finish the fight. Apparently he lost his technique a little, and was focusing on power cranking it, and not using the correct techinique and leverage. So GSP certainly believes Hardy escaped the holds.
 

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GSP did not let go of the armbar in te 1st, that was a very good escape by Hardy.

The kimura in the 4th (I think), I dunno what happened there. It did seem like GSP just gave it up because Hardy wouldn't tap. He had it cranked so far back and Hardy just refused to tap. Against most of the division, the fight would have ended right there. Hardy is one tough dude.
 

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Okay, im wrong. I didn't see all of his post-fight interview. See, so Hardy had good sub defense and was able to beat GSP in the jitsu part
 

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GSP said in the post-fight conference that he didn't let it go, and was trying really trying to hurt Hardy and finish the fight. Apparently he lost his technique a little, and was focusing on power cranking it, and not using the correct techinique and leverage. So GSP certainly believes Hardy escaped the holds.
Say that I am right and GSP really did let go of the hold. It would be dumb to say "Yup, I let go of the hold because I didn't wanna break his arm." GSP wouldn't admit to that because it makes Hardy looks bad when everyone is giving him credit for being tough...
 

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Hardys arm bar escape was sick.. not because of the technique he used but because it was so deep... he's a stud for that one.


The Kimura.... I said the same when I saw it... I felt as if GSP didn't want to pop his shoulder.

I could be wrong but that was the initial feeling I got as well...
 

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Okay, im wrong. I didn't see all of his post-fight interview. See, so Hardy had good sub defense and was able to beat GSP in the jitsu part
I wouldn't say he beat GSP in jitsu in any way. Sure he prevented & escaped few submissions, but other than that if you score it like a grappling match he was getting tooled hard.
 

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Say that I am right and GSP really did let go of the hold. It would be dumb to say "Yup, I let go of the hold because I didn't wanna break his arm." GSP wouldn't admit to that because it makes Hardy looks bad when everyone is giving him credit for being tough...
Why the heck would GSP let go of his arm? He wants to be the UFC WW champion and that armbar would've won it for him and he would've finished the fight and wouldn't have had to go the rest of the rounds with him and possibly losing in one of the rounds. So WHY WOULD HE LET THE ARM GO!?
 

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Not at all. Hardy has been working on his sub defense and is one stubborn SOB and refused to tap. He got out of those sub attempts, GSP didn't let it go
This exactly.

Okay, im wrong. I didn't see all of his post-fight interview. See, so Hardy had good sub defense and was able to beat GSP in the jitsu part
You said it, Hardy had good sub defense (more like shear determination) but he did not in any way beat GSP in the JJ aspect of the fight - he did not beat GSP in ANY aspect of the fight.
 

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This exactly.



You said it, Hardy had good sub defense (more like shear determination) but he did not in any way beat GSP in the JJ aspect of the fight - he did not beat GSP in ANY aspect of the fight.
what i mean by beat in the jitsu part was that he was able to defend everything GSP threw at him in the jitsu part of the fight. Yes he got dominated in fight as a whole but held his own in the jitsu part.
 

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Well if GSP beat him at the jitsu, don't you think he would've submitted him?
im not saying hardy beat him in the jiu-jitsu game, he lost it because he didn't try anything
 

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Not every BJJ match has a submisssion.
yes i know that. im not new to mma. well both of those submission attempts looked pretty damn tight and hardy was able to get out so i think that he did better because ALMOST anyone would tap if they were in that situation
 

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If your not willing to break an arm you armbar kimura etc is a bit pointless, gsp would have snapped his arm , hardy endured the pain and turned into it luckily for him
 

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If your not willing to break an arm you armbar kimura etc is a bit pointless, gsp would have snapped his arm , hardy endured the pain and turned into it luckily for him
how would he have snapped his arm? did you not see him pulling it back and wiggling it to get it even more straight so that it would hurt more?
 

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GSP is too nice. During the armbar, all the had to do was pull down on the wrist just a little bit and his arm was broken, fight over. If he would've sat down on Hardy's head, sucked in his knee to let his wrist pass his knee, he would've have destroyed Hardy's shoulder. Neither of which has anything to do with Hardy's "improved":sarcastic12: Jiu Jitsu as it does GSP is too nice.
 
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