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Jon Jones impressed me tonight. He took apart a top wrestler in Vladimir Matyushenko, manhandling him and beating him like a rented mule. It was like a man toying with a child-a man with an 84 inch reach and incredible speed and strength.

Jones has beaten two failed prospects (Brandon Vera and Stephan Bonnar) a journeyman (Matt Hamill) and an aged contender (Matyushenko). Now it's time for the top prospect to get famous-and that's not going to happen fighting Jason Brillz or Thiago Silva. Jones has been given a steady build, slowly making his way up to the top of the ladder. There is only one opponent that makes sense to help further propel Jones to superstardom: Chuck Liddell.

It's a matchup that would be obvious in boxing. We've seen it time and again, often with the biggest names in the entire sport. Oscar De La Hoya became one of the most polarizing fighters in history by whipping the aging legend Julio Cesar Chavez. Mike Tyson won over critics and solidified his status by beating back Larry Holmes, who was dragged kicking and screaming out of a lounge chair in Easton, Pennsylvania to fight the young star. Holmes wanted no part of Tyson. Don King and a bag of cash changed his mind:

I knew that I couldn't beat Mike Tyson. But again ... Don King calls. I was off two years with my band, traveling around with Kool and the Gang, the Temptations, singing ding ding ding, you know?

And drinking them -- Budweisers and stuff like that. And a knock on the door, Don King, three in the morning. 'Larry, open the door.' I said, 'Well, what are you doing, man?'

King said, 'I want you to fight Mike Tyson.' I said, 'You must be crazy. I can't beat Mike Tyson. I ain't did nothing for two years.' King said, 'It's three and a half million dollars.' I said, 'Well, come on in.'

He said, 'But you got two months to get ready for the fight.' I have two months? I said, 'Man, two months?' He said, 'Well, you have three and a half million.' And I said, 'I can't beat Mike Tyson in two months, man.' King 'Here is 500,000 cash.' I said, 'OK.'
That's the role of the former champion. I think we all know a truth that Dana White is still denying-Chuck Liddell won't leave gracefully. He's going to have to be beaten out of the sport. Why waste that opportunity on a used up Rich Franklin? And why risk your stellar young prospect against a tough unknown like Silva?

Top prospect and has-been champion. It's a proven matchup, one that has turned promising young boxing stars into box office attractions. And if a miracle happens you can immediately insert Liddell into a title fight in a real life Rocky Balboa story. Dana should put his feelings aside and make this fight. It's what Liddell needs to move on. It's what Jones needs to be a star.
Not sure i agree because i dont want to see Chuck Liddel beaten into a pulp by a Rookie expirience wise, but in a way to get the newer generation out there it makes some sense.

Personally i want to see him fight Thiago Silva because Silva just pulled out so maybe he would like to get a fight in 3-4 months away. Also its a step up in competition and it fulfills the criteria that they clearly want to slowly build Jones up in competition wise instead of just throwing him into the wolves.
 

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I guess that's a good argument as to why he should fight Chuck. Then again, it's more about proving himself title shot worthy now-a-days than building him up, I think he's pretty well known now, he's been on 3 free cards and people talk about him more and more. He needs to prove himself against a quality opponent, and bam, title shot.
 

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Damn...never thought of Jones v Liddell, that would actually be pretty interesting.

Lately Jones has been taking people down and doing dmg on the ground, Chuck is hard to get down and even harder to keep down.
 

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Damn...never thought of Jones v Liddell, that would actually be pretty interesting.

Lately Jones has been taking people down and doing dmg on the ground, Chuck is hard to get down and even harder to keep down.
I didn't even think about this, would be a good test imo
 

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Not going to happen. Chuck is done.

I say they should put him up against the likes of Forrest Griffin or Antonio Rogerio Nogueira. There was also talk about a Jones/Bader match up. That would be an awesome match up.
 

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i just cant get behind this idea, i mean it would be excellent for bones and would pull in a bunch of casual iceman fans who may not know about him, but the way this guys been fighting lately he would work chuck over real bad
 

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I would love to see this fight if it was the same chuck from 2 years ago. But Chuck is done put him in there with jones and he will be force to retire. Not doubting chuck's ability to fight but he was a great fighter but is past his prime.
 

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Damn...never thought of Jones v Liddell, that would actually be pretty interesting.

Lately Jones has been taking people down and doing dmg on the ground, Chuck is hard to get down and even harder to keep down.

Would everyone please forget about washed up Chuck Liddel,, Jones would knock his butt out in 2 mins,,, damn I get tired of hearing, CHUCK CHUCK CHUCK<, he was a good fighter in his time, but he is through, done, finished, old ,, etcetc,,, DAMN<<<<
 

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Not going to happen. Chuck is done.

I say they should put him up against the likes of Forrest Griffin or Antonio Rogerio Nogueira. There was also talk about a Jones/Bader match up. That would be an awesome match up.
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chuck liddell is finished, he got finished by a one armed man, nuff said.
 

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Im not that much of a chuck´s fan, but i would be feeling sorry for him is they matched him up against Bones.
Bones would send Chuck directly to the hospital if not the graveyard.

 

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No ... everyone knows Chuck's old and not what he used to be by now, even the casual fan. People who write these articles always assume casual fans are retards who think "ooh Chuck Luhdull, that guy rulz my uncle told me he's like the white Mike Tyson"... So somehow anyone who beats him is now a title contender with a ton of fame as "the guy that beat Chuck".

Reality is, every second UFC LHW is "the guy that beat Chuck" now. Even the most casual fan I talk to now says .. "Oh yeah, isn't Chuck getting knocked out by everyone nowadays?". This won't help Bones build anything any more than fighting Ken Shamrock would, it's a solid step backwards.

Let Chuck retire in peace or go dominate the smaller orgs / lower tier UFC guys, feeding him to the lions now is Don Kingesque and an insult to his legacy. Give Jones a real top 8 .. he can wait, the guy's been the most active top fighter in the entire UFC in the last couple of years.
 

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No ... everyone knows Chuck's old and not what he used to be by now, even the casual fan. People who write these articles always assume casual fans are retards who think "ooh Chuck Luhdull, that guy rulz my uncle told me he's like the white Mike Tyson"... So somehow anyone who beats him is now a title contender with a ton of fame as "the guy that beat Chuck".

Reality is, every second UFC LHW is "the guy that beat Chuck" now. Even the most casual fan I talk to now says .. "Oh yeah, isn't Chuck getting knocked out by everyone nowadays?". This won't help Bones build anything any more than fighting Ken Shamrock would, it's a solid step backwards.

Let Chuck retire in peace or go dominate the smaller orgs / lower tier UFC guys, feeding him to the lions now is Don Kingesque and an insult to his legacy. Give Jones a real top 8 .. he can wait, the guy's been the most active top fighter in the entire UFC in the last couple of years.
Yep - too true.
 

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Atm Jones needs to fight TOP fighters, TOP 10...TOP 5 fighters...in order to climb the rankings, in order to get closer to the title. And take the title. :thumb02:
With all the respect for Chuck...but he doesn't fit in that cathegory of fighters anymore.

There are some fights still left for Chuck, but those are for the fans: another fight Couture or Tito. Those would be interesting...and maybe exciting.

Jones is flying high now..."business class".
And Chuck is not even flying anymore...

For me, this fight - a BIG NO!
 

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The last thing the ufc needs to do is follow BOXINGS example of how to set up fights, so I give this idea a big NO. Liddell is finished and needs to retire, not fight arguably the most talented LHW in the world. Let Bones fight a top guy like Forrest or Franklin, that would make him just as famous considering that casual fans know Forrest well from TUF and Franklin is the guy who just KNOCKED OUT Chuck!
 

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Chuck is done and theres no point in giving Jones, Liddell.Liddell would just get ko'ed, they need to give him someone like Franklin
 

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Franklin vs Jones would be a good opportunity for Bones. An impressive name in his resume, should he win.
 

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As much as Dana White likes money he is definitely not Don King, there is no way Dana would throw his friend in there to get a beating from Bones.
 

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Damn...never thought of Jones v Liddell, that would actually be pretty interesting.

Lately Jones has been taking people down and doing dmg on the ground, Chuck is hard to get down and even harder to keep down.
But aren't these better wrestler even harder to keep down like Vlad and Hamill?
 
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