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Dana White said it best when he said ( and I'm paraphrasing here ) " You have to understand that when the Referee gets in the ring, he's got 2 lives on his hands, even if I don't agree with a call I would never question the judgement of the referee's." I concurr %100 . However the customer is always right and when there are over 12000 people screaming " Bull S*** " after what looks like a bad call, then it was a bad call. Plain and simple. There is absolutly no way we will see Tito vs. Shamrock again. The era of legends vs. currents is dead. I hated the call, even though it was warrented only in its technicality and it was the final nail in the coffin for the pioneers. I believe Dana sees the writing on the wall and is eager to usher in the new era of UFC vs. Pride and other MMA associations. To sum it all up, my vote for that call is " Bull S***!"
 

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The majority of MMA fans have no idea what its like to be in an actual fight. I personally know what it feels like to have elbows rained down on your face, and let me tell you its no party. I'd gladly take a loss if its going to save me from permanent damage, for the fans to chant BullSh ....is completely rediculus. Its not a BS call as he was not defending himself, as i said before
 

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Like i've said before. The rules say defend yourself at all times. Not eat 5 elbows. But i'm sure this is a silly rule and should be changed to eat 5 elbows. It would make all the fighter's completely braindead. Boy that would be exciting.
 

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Would 5 more unblocked elbows would have satisfied you putmeonhold? I guess most UFC fans just wanna see blood. Dana, this is what happens when you market UFC like pro wrestling.

Guys like Shamrock and Gracie have earned their right to pay days so I'm not saying they shouldn't fight anymore, but UFC needs to let them fight guys their own age as they are ruining those guy's legacies by sticking them in with current top guys, those fights were embarrassing.
 

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i really dont understand why people are b**ching about it....:dunno: ....id like to see some of these guys get in there and do what they do for a living and tell me if they would like the ref to keep it going after eating some heavy elbows
 

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CTFlyingKnee said:
The majority of MMA fans have no idea what its like to be in an actual fight. I personally know what it feels like to have elbows rained down on your face, and let me tell you its no party. I'd gladly take a loss if its going to save me from permanent damage, for the fans to chant BullSh ....is completely rediculus. Its not a BS call as he was not defending himself, as i said before
however. you are not ken shamrock. you are not tito ortiz. as you mature as a fighter...pain is temporary. pride is forever. i think herb dean should have let a few more elbows fly before stepping in...ken got up right after tito got off of him...ken took more of a beating in the first 20 seconds of the first fight than he did the whole 1 minute and 8 seconds they fought 2 nights ago. herb dean got over-anxious. although that is just my opinion, i would not disagree with herb..he saw what he saw and did what he thought was right. I do not think there will be a ortiz shamrock again either...but it would be nice.

p.s. the fighters have the option for physical or verbal tapout at any time during the regulation time of the bout.
 

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Would 5 more unblocked elbows would have satisfied you putmeonhold? I guess most UFC fans just wanna see blood. Dana, this is what happens when you market UFC like pro wrestling.

Guys like Shamrock and Gracie have earned their right to pay days so I'm not saying they shouldn't fight anymore, but UFC needs to let them fight guys their own age as they are ruining those guy's legacies by sticking them in with current top guys, those fights were embarrassing.
dana white goes to these guys and asks them if they want to fight one another. the other option than yes...is no. they can choose not to fight but they do because they believe they can win. they can. but shamrock i believe is too seasoned and simply cannot hang with titos agression and composure. gracie i think is also too seasoned. he was taken down by matt hughes..someone not even nearly as big as kimo or dan severns. i would love to see a gracie shamrock3
 

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however. you are not ken shamrock. you are not tito ortiz. as you mature as a fighter...pain is temporary. pride is forever.
And brain damage is forever too. :cheeky4:

The only Shamrock/Ortiz fight I'd like to see made is Frank and Tito.
 

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Shogun said:
Would 5 more unblocked elbows would have satisfied you putmeonhold? I guess most UFC fans just wanna see blood.
That's the same thing i was thinking. Everyone at Manadalay Bay that was chanting bullshit should be up against the gate and see how it feels to get 5 elbows in a row, instead of just feinding for blood. It's absolutely ridiculous.
 

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Like i've said before. The rules say defend yourself at all times. Not eat 5 elbows. But i'm sure this is a silly rule and should be changed to eat 5 elbows. It would make all the fighter's completely braindead. Boy that would be exciting.
Lol - I still think they will do it again to give Ortiz something to do while he is waiting for Chuck's schedule to have an opening. The belt will come in good time, but Chuck is the target, the man was laughing at the boos of the crowd as well.
 

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I think it best they dont fight again to be honest, Most ppl r over it now. Tito needs to keep fighting while waiting for chuck but who else does he fight at 205 ??? Ace and Tito would be sweet at 205 !

As for legends - id rather see two legends fight each other than a current day champ v legend. Time will always prove the younger champ to win in 99% on cases. Why not Shamrock V Gracie ????
 

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I think Gracie will be done in the UFC now - I'd be amazed if he came back again.

Tito does need some good opponents, but alot of the people who are at 205 are just not really great matchups imo. Let's think about who we could see:

Belfort
Bisping
Bonnar
Dewees
Forbes
Gouveia
Hamill
Haynes
Hoger
Irvin
Jardine
Lambert
Lister
MacDonald
Mahood
Sinosic
Van Arsdale
Whitehead

There are a few more but obviously discounting the notion of Shamrock, Chuck & Sobral for obvious reasons. The Forrest rematch will happen at some point but not yet - too close for comfort the first time.

I'd love to see a Belfort match myself but he seems ok in Pride at the moment so I'm guessing we are not going to be seeing him anytime soon.

Stephan Bonner is probably the one who needs a step up, but I've not been impressed by him since the TUF finale, so I don't think it would be healthy to do that to him. On the other hand he got a decent contract for what he does, Leben got very much fed to the lions recently, maybe it's time to stick Stephan in a war and remind us why we ever got excited by him in the first place.
 

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Lol - I still think they will do it again to give Ortiz something to do while he is waiting for Chuck's schedule to have an opening. The belt will come in good time, but Chuck is the target, the man was laughing at the boos of the crowd as well.
chuck wasnt laughing at the crowd booing, he was like wtf. same with couture.
 

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that fight was beat..what i wanna know is how does shamrock act like he wasnt just taking like 5-6 elbows right after the fight was called. why act like a ****in baby, and cry and ***** the whole way back to the locker room when u just got taken down and beaten almost limp?

in retrospect from seeing the match the other night, it wasnt that bad of a call cause shmrock would have been concoussed or way worse if that would have kept going. hell, he was prob concussed from the few elbows he did brutally take!
 

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I am not sure there will be a #3 either. I would watch it though. Maybe a 3rd time would put all the speculation to rest. Let's have Big John ref this time too.

I can't see Shamrock retiring after a fight with Ortiz either though. Ken hates Tito so bad that I can't imagine him wanting to hear for the rest of his life that "Tito retired him"...lol Can you imagine how :mad: that would make the man?
 

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Good, I don't want to see another Tito and Shamrock fight since obviously Tito would win again like he always does against Ken Shamrock. Ken Shamrock should just retire already before being killed in the ring. He has poor defense nowadays. I used to like him in the beginning of UFC but now hes just a terrible fighter, sorry to you Shamrock fans. I knew he was going to come out and try to throw bombs on Tito and he would just slip and get killed due to his poor defense. If Herb Dean didn't stop that fight, the next elbow Ken would have been pouring out blood.
 
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