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If there's so much money to be made in MMA. What happened to Pride, International Fight League, Strikeforce, WEC, Affliction, World Series of Fighting and the long list of other MMA promotions that died.

I think fighters in the UFC are fairly paid what they deserve. Conor has the option to transition to boxing if he felt he was being paid less than he was worth. Where was Conor planning to fight before he retired? In the UFC. A guy who made $100 million in boxing is still fighting in the UFC? Why? If the UFC is "corrupt" and there are so many "better opportunities" out there?

The world of boxing didn't stop turning and wait for Mike Tyson to get out of prison. MMA won't stop and wait for the Diaz Brothers, Jorge Masvidal, Jon Jones or anyone else.

Its super weird to see so many tough guys sound like SJWs. Its like Evander Holyfield or Lennox Lewis retiring because the $5 million dollars they made in their last fight wasn't enough for them. Its like Tyron Woodley claiming he's the "worst treated UFC champion" because "he's black". Back when Woodley defended his belt on the biggest money PPV card of the year with Conor. While TJ Dillashaw the true "worst treated" UFC champion defended his 135 lb belt on TV cards that didn't even have a PPV.

I don't know if the apocalypse is near but a lot of people seem to be losing their hearts and minds out there.
 

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World Series of Fighting was renamed and re-branded as the Professional Fighters League with most of the same fighters and personal. Also the other day in response to a football union rep saying that UFC fighters aren't paid well comments, for the number of times UFC fighters fight in a year, I think they're paid really well. Football players are the best paid of the major sports leagues for the number of games they play and the average player gets paid comparable to the number of fights that UFC fighters compete in.
 

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I said this a long time ago. I still believe this to be true.

The political left wants to remove wrestling as an olympic sport. They want to destroy the cultural icon of the independent and rugged individual. Their goal is to transform everyone into a victim who is dependent upon the state & corporations for survival.

That's where the "UFC fighters are underpaid and should unionize" narrative comes from.

Its where most* of the hate for Dana and the UFC come from.
 

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That probably also dates back to when Zuffa was owned by the Fertittas and they don't allow the culinary union into their casinos. That's the reason why MMA wasn't allowed into New York because allowing MMA into New York meant letting the UFC into New York. Also I remember that because I was an online campaigner for keeping wrestling.
 

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Unions are as corrupt and political as everything else these days. Believing that unions will solve all your worker problems is like believing police will handle all issues relating to crime.

Someone is pushing a media campaign against Dana and the UFC. Trying to sucker people into believing they're underpaid victims who should be crying in the streets with the other SJWs.

Its not because they care about workers. Its not because they care about equality. They have their own selfish reasons. As people will see, eventually.
 

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Yeah realistically unions are not really needed anymore because of laws like the minimum wage and various other labor laws. Nowadays they are political entities with their own agendas and most of them are all leftists who want to get everyone benefits. I find it ironic how the mega corporations who lean left don't do business with them like Walmart.
 

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Honestly, I don't have much sympathy for entertainers. Don't get me wrong, I love sports and other type of entertainment, and I don't mind at all if they get paid, but I definitely don't feel bad if they are not.

First of all.. what is this notion, that all fighters have to get paid? I get it, it's a rough sport.. but if you're not good at it, I'm sorry, but tough shit, maybe find something else. The prelim guys are only there to fill up the time, no one actually spends money to watch them, so essentially you're just given the opportunity to make it to the top, where the big boys play.
You don't hear this shit in regular jobs, "hey, but I'm not getting paid as much as the guy who's been working here for years and doing it better than me". Cause everyone who has basic common sense understand that's not how things work.

Second.. You're doing something you love, something that is far from an essential need, and you can make a living out of it? That's a ******* win in my book. More power to you if you are able to become a millionaire out of it, but we have more important things we need to take care of in the world when it comes to someones pay, like teachers, hospital workers etc. Guys like Masvidal were fighting bare knuckle in some dudes backyard, but now they are complaining about their pay... about a contract they willingly signed.

Same thing we see in the NBA and probably other sports, but there it's even worse. Again, I love basketball, but hard to have any sympathy for these guys. The median NBA player makes something over than a million a year guaranteed, but somehow that's not enough. A million a year.. for shooting a ball through a hoop.. let that sink in.

Not to say you should just shut up and do nothing. If you have the opportunity to make more, go for it, I know I would, but at times it definitely feels a bit ridiculous.
 

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Yeah true the elites are making money and don't really have room to complain but you have to admit that the average UFC is getting paid good money considering how few times they fight.
 

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Yeah realistically unions are not really needed anymore because of laws like the minimum wage and various other labor laws. Nowadays they are political entities with their own agendas and most of them are all leftists who want to get everyone benefits. I find it ironic how the mega corporations who lean left don't do business with them like Walmart.

Unions are like elections.

People need to be informed and pay attention to current events to utilize them effectively.

Unfortunately, that is rare in this day and age. And so both unions and elections often trend towards failure.


Honestly, I don't have much sympathy for entertainers. Don't get me wrong, I love sports and other type of entertainment, and I don't mind at all if they get paid, but I definitely don't feel bad if they are not.

First of all.. what is this notion, that all fighters have to get paid? I get it, it's a rough sport.. but if you're not good at it, I'm sorry, but tough shit, maybe find something else. The prelim guys are only there to fill up the time, no one actually spends money to watch them, so essentially you're just given the opportunity to make it to the top, where the big boys play.
You don't hear this shit in regular jobs, "hey, but I'm not getting paid as much as the guy who's been working here for years and doing it better than me". Cause everyone who has basic common sense understand that's not how things work.

Second.. You're doing something you love, something that is far from an essential need, and you can make a living out of it? That's a *** win in my book. More power to you if you are able to become a millionaire out of it, but we have more important things we need to take care of in the world when it comes to someones pay, like teachers, hospital workers etc. Guys like Masvidal were fighting bare knuckle in some dudes backyard, but now they are complaining about their pay... about a contract they willingly signed.

Same thing we see in the NBA and probably other sports, but there it's even worse. Again, I love basketball, but hard to have any sympathy for these guys. The median NBA player makes something over than a million a year guaranteed, but somehow that's not enough. A million a year.. for shooting a ball through a hoop.. let that sink in.

Not to say you should just shut up and do nothing. If you have the opportunity to make more, go for it, I know I would, but at times it definitely feels a bit ridiculous.

Agree.
 

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Yeah like with Obama we got eight years of trying to institute progressive policies because let's face it, Obama was not a pure socialist, and it only stagnated the post recession economic growth. Also all he did was blame Bush for his administrations failures. Trump came in and has gotten more done in his first term then Obama in both his terms.
 

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It might surprise people to know there are many parallels between Trump and Obama. Obama was sworn in and made a legit attempt to fix things the way Trump did.

What happened was wallstreet and banks pulled campaign funding from democrats in to get back at Obama for pushing legit financial reforms. That's when democrats lost their majority in the house/senate due to lack of funding.

Tulsi Gabbard and Obama would both be republicans if hey hadn't been born and lived in heavy democrat leaning states.
 

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I honestly feel sorry for Tulsi Gabbard because she's a true moderate in the modern Democratic party and they absolutely hate her for it. Hillary deserves to be sued for saying out of the blue with no evidence that Tulsi is a Russian agent. Tulsi is a military veteran and that was straight up unvalidated slander.
 

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I don't know if Tulsi Gabbard is legit. I've seen her push fake narratives and news in the past that were terrible for the people she represents. With declining social and cultural standards I guess that's a standard thing now?? Her values, lifestyle and stance do seem more republican than democrat though.

If I remember right. Tulsi Gabbard said she would pardon Julian Assange and Edward Snowden if she became US President. That was around the time when hate and negative sentiment from democrats started to find her.
 
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