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ok im already tired of the andy talk ..I feel like dana right now going dang man there was other fights on the card too


ok Frankie just won the belt from someone that allot of us saw as one of if not thee best p4p fighter, much respect to him weather bj was 100% or not frankie deserves respect


now on to my questions

besides maynard which will be frankies next fight who do you think should get next up? do you thin kit should be bj or another fighter?

do you think bj's next fight should be for the title again if frankie wins against maynard or do you think bj should have to fight someone else.

if you want to have penn fight someone else first who do you think it should be?

with all the talk of penn wanting to retire the past year or so do you think this was just him passing the torch to someone he felt worthy so that he can leave?
 

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I think BJ should just go to WW. Edgar should avenge his loss to Maynard then fight KenFlo.
 

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I disagree with the part about passing the torch, seems too Hollywood to me. But yeah, things are just really confusing right now for me because I didn't expect yesterday to go at all like it did.

Its hard for me not to ask to see an immediate rematch with BJ as I believe he almost certainly is the superior fighter, he just didn't show it last night for whatever reason. But Frankie is the champ now and that shouldn't have any impact on the status of other top contenders so yeah I think Maynard - Edgar makes sense. Then either give BJ one more fight or an immediate title shot. :dunno:
 

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I think BJ should at least fight another contender before he gets another shot. It was a close fight, but not close enough for an immediate rematch like Shogung/Machida. I think he should fight whoever is next in line after Maynard to determine the next contender. But who is that? Kenny again? I don't think he deserves another title shot yet, so who else? How about Sotiropoulos? Pellegrino? Jim Miller? I really don't know...

Maybe BJ will cut the losses and move up to WW permanently. If so I'd like to see Sotiropoulos/Kenny with the winner facing the loser of Edgar/Maynard.
 

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ok im already tired of the andy talk ..I feel like dana right now going dang man there was other fights on the card too


ok Frankie just won the belt from someone that allot of us saw as one of if not thee best p4p fighter, much respect to him weather bj was 100% or not frankie deserves respect
Word, fantastic performance on Frankie's part!


now on to my questions

besides maynard which will be frankies next fight who do you think should get next up? do you thin kit should be bj or another fighter?
I think BJ should fight two fights and if he wins both then get his shot back at whoever is holding the belt. I think he needs to fight Tyson Griffin and then Kenny again in a non-title bout. As for his next challenger, I see quite a few options. Miller is on a 4 fight win streak, you could easily make a case for George Sotiropoulos with his tooling of Joe Daddy, the of course there's Kenny and Gray and a BJ rematch if/when BJ wins a couple more. I don't think BJ should get an instant rematch though, I think it mixes up the division nicely and there are a lot more fights available now.

do you think bj's next fight should be for the title again if frankie wins against maynard or do you think bj should have to fight someone else.
Nope, like I said, two mroe fights as it makes things interesting and will do nothing but motivate BJ.

if you want to have penn fight someone else first who do you think it should be?
Kenny, Tyson Griffin, Jim Miller, Paul Kelly (use him as a tune-up but he's a solid fighter) or Tibau.

with all the talk of penn wanting to retire the past year or so do you think this was just him passing the torch to someone he felt worthy so that he can leave?
No I honestly don't. I think the retirement talk was because GSP beat him so hard. I think this will do nothing but motivate him. He got beat but he didn't get destroyed.
 

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I think BJ should at least fight another contender before he gets another shot. It was a close fight, but not close enough for an immediate rematch like Shogung/Machida. I think he should fight whoever is next in line after Maynard to determine the next contender. But who is that? Kenny again? I don't think he deserves another title shot yet, so who else? How about Sotiropoulos? Pellegrino? Jim Miller? I really don't know...

Maybe BJ will cut the losses and move up to WW permanently. If so I'd like to see Sotiropoulos/Kenny with the winner facing the loser of Edgar/Maynard.
yeah that is what I am confused about.

Dana already said that maynard gets next shot and frankie, so who is bj's next fight in that division that he has not already dismantled in devastating fashion :confused02: and has deserving right to fight penn for next up against champion.

I think it would be Kenny but Kenny is a smart man and fighter and i think he knows he needs more time o grow before he can beat penn, dont get me wrong i think he would still take teh fight but I think would be at even a more disadvantage because i think he knows he does not have the skills to beat penn at this time in his career


does anyone find it really weird like me that i see more guys being able to beat the champion of the division then beat the guy that is at the # 2 contender spot now (Penn)
 

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does anyone find it really weird like me that i see more guys being able to beat the champion of the division then beat the guy that is at the # 2 contender spot now (Penn)
I think it is because we all know deep down that BJ is a better MMA fighter than Frankie. BJ came in with a pretty bad gameplan, which I think was no gameplan at all.

I think he planned to outbix a fighter and not Frankie. Frankie didn't have to adjust his striking because it actually is a nice match up to BJ's boxing.

BJ should have been ready for the possibility of a close fight on the feet and been ready to attempt to get it to the ground where think we can all agree he would have a massive advantage over Edgar.
 

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I don't really know what to make of the lightweight picture right now. Whatever happened last night, BJ is still the best fighter in the division. I'm also not sold on wether Edgar could take on KenFlo. Suddenly this division is so much more open and there are many questions to be answered.

I still think it's disrespectful to BJ to fight more than 1 fight before he is back in a titlefight though. If BJ takes on a guy like Maynard, and does anything like he did against Diego or Kenny, he should get the shot without a doubt. BJ seemed to be hitting his prime, widely regarded as unbeatable at 155, finally got his act together and his training second to none. Then he comes in looking like a mess and loses his belt. Was BJ 100 per cent stepping in to the octagon against Edgar? I still don't know what to make of this.
 

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yeah I definatlly think one fight then back to fight frankie for penn I just cant wrap my head around who that fight should be. everyone deserving of that fight cant beat bj and i think they know that.

I think they are making a mistake having maynard skip past bj penn and go for the title but on the same note i think having one of the other guys that penn dismantled in his fight go for the fight instead of maynard does not make just as much sense

Im really curious how this all pans out
 

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Edgar v Maynard and then Kenny gets the winner and THEN BJ get's the winner of that. Not sure there's a point in him fighting anyone else between, maybe he should just rest.
 

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Ya it is gonna be interesting. I think they are understanably afraid that if the don't give Maynard a pass and set him up with BJ he will lose. Then they can't hype the rematch between Edgar and Maynard.
 

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I think BJ should at least fight another contender before he gets another shot. It was a close fight, but not close enough for an immediate rematch like Shogung/Machida. I think he should fight whoever is next in line after Maynard to determine the next contender. But who is that? Kenny again? I don't think he deserves another title shot yet, so who else? How about Sotiropoulos? Pellegrino? Jim Miller? I really don't know...

Maybe BJ will cut the losses and move up to WW permanently. If so I'd like to see Sotiropoulos/Kenny with the winner facing the loser of Edgar/Maynard.
Close fight one of the judges scored it a 50-45...i rewatched the fight and i'm pretty sure he was robbed. oh well i guess that's the new way of getting the belt...jab and run
 

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yeah, i don't know how he can justify going to WW after he just apparently got beat by a true featherweight
Does anyone truly doubt that the BJ Penn that fought Sanchez couldn't beat Edgar? The torch has been passed, BJ is in the twilight of his career and wants big fights that will establish his legacy and honestly I feel like they are not in the UFC LW division. He comes back and fights Edgar and wins then what? The division is empty so he relinquishes his title and the next champ will forever be thought of as a second rate champion who never beat the real champ. Its the perfect way for Penn to make his exit. He lost a controversial decision, he saves face and Edgar's reign isn't tarnished.
 

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does anyone find it really weird like me that i see more guys being able to beat the champion of the division then beat the guy that is at the # 2 contender spot now (Penn)
No, as far as boxing goes it's

1.Edgar
2.Penn

a distant 10-20, the rest of the division, if you get my drift. Penn overall has more skill but he played into the only advantage Edgar had. Clinch with Edgar and take him to the ground, where he isn't as strong. So where nobody in the rest of the division can beat BJ in any aspect of the game except for Edgar and his boxing, there are a lot of holes to exploit in Edgar's game comparatively by a lot of other guys.
 
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