What Does Dana Do?

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HellRazor

Discussion Starter · Apr 11, 2010

There was noise, a few years back, about Dana actually boxing Tito Ortiz. Probably best for both of them that never happened.

But right now, Dana is probably drunk and wishing he dared rip a piece out of Anderson Silva's ass.

So what does he do next week, after the hangover has worn off?

a) If there's a tracking system for who buys UFC PPVs, he can give all those people refunds. Likelier, give them Machida-Shogun or Lesnar-Carwin for free. Which is giving up a couple million dollars. I'm sure Dana will just love explaining that to Lorenzo Fertitta.

b) Really bite the bullet, and put on a free show with a couple championship fights. Again, it a couple million dollar hit, but the UFC can eat that now.

c) Strip Silva of his title. He'd leave the UFC if they did, but it's not unheard of. I rate this a on tenth of one percent possibliity.

d) Give Silva a bad-ass, and tell him he better make it look good or else. Something like Silva vs Junior de Santos. @heavyweight

e) Same as d) Only Silva vs Jon Fitch. @170.

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Toxic

· #41 · Apr 11, 2010

Benge said:
Dana should retire, and have someone else become president. It would be best for the sport and himself. I mean, the guys already lost his hair, I'm surprised he didn't just have a heart attack as he awarded Silva the belt.

He didn't even do it he threw it at Soares after the 4th and told him to put it on him then left. Dana never watched the 5th round.

IronMan

· #42 · Apr 11, 2010

HellRazor said:
a) If there's a tracking system for who buys UFC PPVs, he can give all those people refunds. Likelier, give them Machida-Shogun or Lesnar-Carwin for free. Which is giving up a couple million dollars. I'm sure Dana will just love explaining that to Lorenzo Fertitta.

No way in hell.

b) Really bite the bullet, and put on a free show with a couple championship fights. Again, it a couple million dollar hit, but the UFC can eat that now.

No way in hell.

c) Strip Silva of his title. He'd leave the UFC if they did, but it's not unheard of. I rate this a on tenth of one percent possibliity.

No way in hell.

And "it's not unheard of?" Seriously? The guy is the #1 ranked middleweight in the world. He holds the record for most consecutive UFC wins and has the greatest career, regardless of what the bandwagon jumpers say, in the history of the UFC. He just broke the record for most consecutive defenses, establishing himself as the most dominant champion in history.

d) Give Silva a bad-ass, and tell him he better make it look good or else. Something like Silva vs Junior de Santos. @heavyweight

No way in hell.

e) Same as d) Only Silva vs Jon Fitch. @170.

No way in hell.

You seriously think that Dana is going to ask Anderson to jump two weightclasses after a poor performance? Really? Maybe he'll go back up to lightheavyweight. More likely he'll wait for Chael Sonnen and then murder Chael.

What Dana should do is simple. He should start discussing the implementation of a yellow card system in the UFC. The fighters won't like it, but it'll be so popular with the fans that the fighters won't say anything. Whether he'll be able to get the commission to agree to it is questionable, in my opinion, but certainly a possibility and if it happens then the UFC will actually be able to parlay this into a P.R. win and continue to get views out of Anderson by casting him as the heel.

I'm being preemptively irritated, so I apologize for that. I'm preparing myself for all of the bandwagon jumpers I'm going to have to deal with later this week, among people I talk to regularly, who are going to talk about how "Anderson isn't the best pound-for-pound" and how he's "overrated" and "not really that awesome."

Just to be clear, it was a disappointing performance, and he's still the most dominant fighter in the history of the UFC. That is not a subjective claim. A look at the numbers make that incredibly clear.

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Benge

· #43 · Apr 11, 2010

Toxic said:
He didn't even do it he threw it at Soares after the 4th and told him to put it on him then left. Dana never watched the 5th round.

He went to cry more because Silva trolled him? It's what he gets. Silva doesn't fight for a year, and then he gets Maia (a guy who is tough against any opponent, but just a joke when it comes to Silva). Silva had already fought Thales Letites a bjj god, we had already seen this fight! WTF were you thinking, Dana. He got what he deserved.

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IronMan

· #44 · Apr 11, 2010

Toxic said:
If Anderson wants to be the champ he has to defend it against who ever the UFC wants, if he wants to only fight guys that interest him he needs to relinquish his belt. You can't hold the belt and an entire division hostage.

It's already been pointed out that he can. Randy did. And Anderson has more leverage than Randy did.

But, realistically, I'm pretty sure Anderson is up for fighting Chael and kicking the crap out of him.

Benge said:
He went to cry more because Silva trolled him? It's what he gets. Silva doesn't fight for a year, and then he gets Maia (a guy who is tough against any opponent, but just a joke when it comes to Silva). Silva had already fought Thales Letites a bjj god, we had already seen this fight! WTF were you thinking, Dana. He got what he deserved.

I agree with this post, and I repped it because it's an interesting take on Anderson's mindset.

But "Thales Leites is a BJJ god?" Seriously?

I actually like Thales Leites (though much less after that fight) and I can't say that with a straight face.

Demian Maia is a truly world class BJJ competitor. Thales Leites is not among the top five (and probably not among the top ten) guys in his weightclass in BJJ right now. Braulio Estima, Rafael Lovato Jr., Tarsis Humphreys. These are guys that are in that top tier. Leites isn't close.

Alex_DeLarge

· #45 · Apr 11, 2010

HitOrGetHit said:
I would like to see him fight Sonnen and Vitor. Sonnen will be a good test because of his wrestling ability and I am interested to see how Vitor will do against Silva!

Maia posed a bigger threat to Silva then Vitor did. Don't see the logic in that. Vitor would actually bring the fight to Silva, thus leading to a KO because Anderson loves when stand-up fighters bring it to him.

As for Sonnen, kind of the same thing. He'll be aggressive towards Silva. And when you're aggressive, it's lights out. Silva beats him standing or on the ground. These guys just aren't on the level of Anderson.

HitOrGetHit

· #46 · Apr 11, 2010

Alex_DeLarge said:
Maia posed a bigger threat to Silva then Vitor did. Don't see the logic in that. Vitor would actually bring the fight to Silva, thus leading to a KO because Anderson loves when stand-up fighters bring it to him.

As for Sonnen, kind of the same thing. He'll be aggressive towards Silva. And when you're aggressive, it's lights out. Silva beats him standing or on the ground. These guys just aren't on the level of Anderson.

I wasn't saying that one fighter or the other poses a greater threat to Silva. I am just interested to see how Vitor does against Silva. :thumbsup:

TraMaI

· #47 · Apr 11, 2010

420atalon said:
Yeah, you can't just strip Silva of his belt because he is too dominant...

It might be a good idea to create an interim belt though until there is someone actually worthy of fighting Silva in the divison. There are plenty of other interesting fights for Silva.

The only other option is to give GSP his shot and hope he can defeat him.

The MW division is a huge mess right now.

I'm picking this post because you're one of four I saw do it, not because I'm picking on you.

I didn't say he needs to be stripped because he's dominant. I'm saying he needs to be stripped because he should A) move up or down a class, permanently and B) Because of the unsportsmanlike horseshit he's been pulling. Martial Arts is about ******* respect. I don't care if you're miles ahead of your opponent and every aspect of the game, you just do NOT do that. It is NOT the way a martial artist behaves and it's most certainly not the way a champion in the biggest organization of a burgeoning sport that a whole ******* TON of people still think is either faked, fixed, a joke with no skill involved, barbaric, human cock fighting, a blood sport or all of the above. You do NOT ******* behave like that.

Remember Jesse Taylor? How about Junie Browning? Babalu? Sure their cases are all slightly different but it shows that the UFC cares about respect, character and the image of not only the UFC but the sport as a whole. What Anderson did today just took us back a step in a brand new market that MMA hasn't been in in this large of a scale and I FULLY believe he should be punished for his foolishness.

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IronMan

· #48 · Apr 11, 2010

Tra, seriously?

Piece by piece:

TraMaI said:
I didn't say he needs to be stripped because he's dominant. I'm saying he needs to be stripped because he should A) move up or down a class, permanently

Yeah, because, when you're the most dominant fighter in the history of a weight class, that's the time to change it up and start cutting a ton of weight or go up and put yourself in a division where you're not going to fight for the title because the current champion is a friend.

B) Because of the unsportsmanlike horseshit he's been pulling. Martial Arts is about ******* respect. I don't care if you're miles ahead of your opponent and every aspect of the game, you just do NOT do that. It is NOT the way a martial artist behaves and it's most certainly not the way a champion in the biggest organization of a burgeoning sport that a whole ******* TON of people still think is either faked, fixed, a joke with no skill involved, barbaric, human cock fighting, a blood sport or all of the above. You do NOT ******* behave like that.

Remember Jesse Taylor? How about Junie Browning? Babalu? Sure their cases are all slightly different but it shows that the UFC cares about respect, character and the image of not only the UFC but the sport as a whole. What Anderson did today just took us back a step in a brand new market that MMA hasn't been in in this large of a scale and I FULLY believe he should be punished for his foolishness.

This is just wrong, Tra.

The UFC puts up with in the cage antics all the time, and they've put up with worse conduct issues than Anderson before. After all, no one even talked about them cutting Tito despite his constant antagonism, his t-shirts and his disrespect for opponents. He was the champ, you don't cut the champ.

Two of the three instances you mentioned were with respect to antics outside of the cage which included marginally significant fighters (Taylor was somewhat significant, as a TUF finalist, but Browning was not significant at all) committing acts that the UFC did not want associated with the brand. Those fighters were cut because they were going to damage the public image.

Is Anderson, the best fighter in his weightclass and, arguably, the history of the sport doing that? No. Not really.

Not more than Brock did when he came out and talked sh*t about a sponsor. (which is a much, much worse offense)

As far as Babalu's conduct during the David Heath fight, we've had similar instances of that kind of conduct throughout the history of the sport among fighters that would, at the time, never have been seen as potentially cutable. B.J. Penn was accused of holding the choke too long on Jens, but that's less of a big deal. If you want to talk about guys who cranked submissions after the tap, talk about Royce Gracie.

Babalu, it's worth pointing out, wasn't nearly the same kind of asset that Anderson is. Realistically, there are only a few guys who are even close to that kind of asset. Right now, it's Anderson Silva, Brock Lesnar and Georges St. Pierre who are truly the undisputed UFC champions.

Edgar is going to have controversy about that decision, and he needs to defend his belt once anyway, and Machida has to decisively beat Shogun.

You know what's most irritating about this, though. Anderson Silva set a record tonight for the most consecutive title defense in UFC history, and people are talking about stripping his belt. This is the winningest fighter in the history of the UFC.

You can dislike his sportsmanship all you want, but you don't strip the belt from the most dominant fighter ever to hold a strap in that organization, especially after he won a 50-45 decision over a guy who didn't deserve to be in the same ring he did. If Dana started talking about taking Anderson's belt away, he'd be mocked viciously and deservedly.

This win was not controversial. You may not have liked it, but it was not controversial. You don't take the belt away from a guy who won an obvious decision, because the fight, and his attitude, sucked.

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Benge

· #49 · Apr 11, 2010

IronMan said:
But "Thales Leites is a BJJ god?" Seriously?

Not serious at all, but exaggerating can help you get your point across.

My point being Silva had already fought a BJJ guy. Yes, Maia is a better BJJ guy, but BJJ is still BJJ. It accounts for submissions which are completely USELESS if you can't grab a hold of a guy, much less even get him to the ground.

Basically, it's pointless putting Silva against opponents who have 1 strength aka guys who are just wasting his time.

mattreis324

· #50 · Apr 11, 2010

Here's a solution: Put Silva's next fight against Sonnen on Spike for free. It would be an apology to all of the fans who feel ripped off for paying 50 bucks to watch that travesty, plus it would be punishment for Silva because he wouldn't get a PPV bonus. If he beats Sonnen up for 3 rounds and then starts dancing around the cage, put his next fight on Spike for free as well (though I don't think he'll have any problem putting Chael away within a round or two). Sooner or later he'll figure out that he at least has to engage his opponent if he wants to get back on PPV and make the big bucks.

This seems like a much more realistic option than stripping Silva of the title (ridiculous) or cutting him (even more ridiculous).

osmium

· #51 · Apr 11, 2010

When you start punishing guys because you don't like how they win fights you are no longer a sport. You can't demand that someone fights the way you want them to as a promoter and think you aren't a glorified WWE.

It is a fight if you don't want him to strip you of your manhood don't ******* let him that is all there is to it. Don't talk shit about how you are going to break someones arm and then refuse to try and even make legitimate attempts at taking him down either.

Don't give me that respect garbage either that is a complete lie. Fighters talk shit to guys in the cage as they beat their ass and taunt them all the time. Different disciplines don't respect eachother they look down on eachother as inferior. It just looks worse with Andy because no one else can get away with it in a fight to that degree. Do you really think a Diaz wouldn't do shit like that if he could get away with it.

Andy didn't break any rules this talk of taking his belt or cutting him is absurd. If Andy wants to alternate beating the shit out of someone and taunting them for 3 rounds then avoiding damage for 2 to take a victory he can. And Dana has no ******* right at all to say otherwise he corrupts the sport by doing so. Promoting is his business not what goes on in the cage that is the sport where the athletes decide what happens if you want fights to go the way you desire go ******* hire john cena and the undertaker.

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NotDylan

· #52 · Apr 11, 2010

Anderson Silva is a disrespectful douche-bag and you appear to be his biggest fan. Just because he can get away with it, doesn't make it right.

Celtic16

· #53 · Apr 11, 2010

You can't strip a fighter of his title, It's his, if he does enough to retain it each fight, then so be it. It's the job of his oponent to take his title away like Edgar did tonight. I think a red card system might be the best thing in this instance. First card, 20% of his wage, then 20% each card there after.

NavyChief

· #54 · Apr 11, 2010 (Edited)

TraMaI said:
I'm betting he makes Silva do one of two things

1.) Surrender his belt and move up in weight, permanently.

2.) Get an immediate title shot at 205, against his training partner and told "Make it a good fight or you're going to lose your belt and fight on the undercard for the rest of your contract. Want to leave? You'll end up paying us a MASSIVE settlement that will crush your income for the rest of your life."

I like #2 a whole bunch but it won't happen. Silva impressed me (and the rest of the world) with his devastating fights as he began his domination of the MW division.

Last night was a joke. I hate ring antics with a passion. If you are that freakin' good (and he IS that freakin' good) then step up and destroy your opponent in the manner that you did Franklin, and Leben, Hendo, Griffin, and the rest. His childish actions are disgraceful. Listening to him after the fight trying to "explain" away his ludicrous performance just pissed me off further. "Damien did not show me respect..blah blah blah". All he did was state that he was taking the belt home with him. What the hell else is he supposed to be saying?

Anderson...you want respect? Then step up and earn it the way you did when you first came on the scene. I will not watch him spend another 25 minutes dancing around, mocking, taunting, acting the fool, and just showing that he can't be touched. His job is to fight, not just mock his opponent for not wanting to engage him in "his world". If your opponent won't engage you, then do what you do Anderson...step up and go engage HIM. Not like you can't...especially last night as Maia's "standup" was going to do nothing but get him knocked out.

Dana White holds the trump card here...hit Anderson Silva where it can at least hurt some...in his wallet. Fine his ass or chop his purse in half or something of the like (obviously there may be contractural issues here...maybe the contracts need to be looked at and have some sort of clause inserted for crap like this).

Anderson Silva holds no trump cards. We know what he can do. We have not yet seen all he is capable of. So what? If he walked off and left mixed martial arts for good it would continue just fine without him. He is not the only show in town and Dana White needs to send that message immediately.

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HellRazor

Discussion Starter · #55 · Apr 11, 2010

420atalon said:
I only want to see Silva in superfights now.

GSP
Shogun
Machida
Bones
Mir
Carwin
Lesnar
Velasquez

Dana would view that as rewarding Silva for embarrassing him.

HellRazor

Discussion Starter · #56 · Apr 11, 2010

TraMaI said:
I'm picking this post because you're one of four I saw do it, not because I'm picking on you.

I didn't say he needs to be stripped because he's dominant. I'm saying he needs to be stripped because he should A) move up or down a class, permanently and B) Because of the unsportsmanlike horseshit he's been pulling. Martial Arts is about ******* respect. I don't care if you're miles ahead of your opponent and every aspect of the game, you just do NOT do that. It is NOT the way a martial artist behaves and it's most certainly not the way a champion in the biggest organization of a burgeoning sport that a whole ******* TON of people still think is either faked, fixed, a joke with no skill involved, barbaric, human cock fighting, a blood sport or all of the above. You do NOT ******* behave like that.

Remember Jesse Taylor? How about Junie Browning? Babalu? Sure their cases are all slightly different but it shows that the UFC cares about respect, character and the image of not only the UFC but the sport as a whole. What Anderson did today just took us back a step in a brand new market that MMA hasn't been in in this large of a scale and I FULLY believe he should be punished for his foolishness.

raise01:

I don't care how 'dominant' the guy is. He damaged the reputation of the UFC. And the money making potential of the UFC is it's reputation.

YOu are also completely right about the respect issue, but obviously a lot of people on this forum just don't understand that, and never will.

BrianRClover

· #57 · Apr 11, 2010

Gluteal Cleft said:
Easy.... make him fight GSP. GSP will not hang out and run like Maia did for part of the fight, he can block/avoid much better than Maia, and his takedowns are at another level.

Silva would have to WORK IT, or get taken down and beaten to a pulp. And he may get taken down and beaten to a pulp even if he DOES work it. I think that seeing Andy get beaten up might make a few people feel pretty satisfied.

You know who else didn't run like Maia did. Leben, Franklin, Marquadt, Franklin (again), Irvin, Griffin... seeing a trend here?

Benge

· #58 · Apr 11, 2010

mattreis324 said:
Here's a solution: Put Silva's next fight against Sonnen on Spike for free. It would be an apology to all of the fans who feel ripped off for paying 50 bucks to watch that travesty, plus it would be punishment for Silva because he wouldn't get a PPV bonus. If he beats Sonnen up for 3 rounds and then starts dancing around the cage, put his next fight on Spike for free as well (though I don't think he'll have any problem putting Chael away within a round or two). Sooner or later he'll figure out that he at least has to engage his opponent if he wants to get back on PPV and make the big bucks.

This seems like a much more realistic option than stripping Silva of the title (ridiculous) or cutting him (even more ridiculous).

I like your "solution", if you're referring to, "Dana making it up to the fans". As for a solution for "Dana to stop getting trolld by Anderson", I say he should allow him to fight who Silva himself deems worthy of fighting him.

IronMan

· #59 · Apr 11, 2010

Benge said:
Not serious at all, but exaggerating can help you get your point across. My point being Silva had already fought a BJJ guy. Yes, Maia is a better BJJ guy, but BJJ is still BJJ. It accounts for submissions which are completely USELESS if you can't grab a hold of a guy, much less even get him to the ground.

Basically, it's pointless putting Silva against opponents who have 1 strength aka guys who are just wasting his time.

O.K. Now I'm glad I repped the comment.

HellRazor said:
raise01:

I don't care how 'dominant' the guy is. He damaged the reputation of the UFC. And the money making potential of the UFC is it's reputation.

Seriously? C'mon dude.

Anderson damaged the money making potential of the UFC?

If you seriously think people are going to stop watching Anderson fight because he had a bad fight then you have no idea what you're talking about. Plenty of fighters do unsportsmanlike thinks in the cage and, so long as they're good fighters, they stay around the sport and do very well.

You don't seem to get that while Anderson is not one of the fighters responsible for cultivating the money making potential of the UFC, if the UFC decides its going to give an ultimatum to one of its top three fighters because he put on a performance they didn't like, they'll be playing more seriously with their credibility.

If you don't care "how dominant the guy is" then I don't understand how you're a fan of the sport. It's not like Anderson Silvas are a dime a dozen. Again, I don't know how many times I'm going to have to say this, he's the greatest fighter in the history of the UFC. Period.

If the UFC wants to put itself in a position where Anderson may walk away (and, by the way, if they do terminate his contract, regardless of what he's fined for not fighting, he'll make a ton of money fighting somewhere else) then they'll look idiotic, and if he does then they'll look like they can't control their own roster.

YOu are also completely right about the respect issue, but obviously a lot of people on this forum just don't understand that, and never will.

So, was Muhammad Ali disrespectful of opponents? He was much worse than Anderson, and much more vocal outside of the ring.

How about Tito Ortiz? His antics outside the ring and after his wins are probably the most disrespectful in the history of MMA. Did Tito hurt the UFC's "money making potential?"

I don't like Anderson's action. I like guys who are respectful, and I've criticized American fighters (especially) for years for talking to damn much, but if you're seriously thinking that the UFC is going to strip the belt from the (far and away) #1 ranked fighter in the world who, just to be clear, has still only lost two rounds in his UFC career and just set the record for most consecutive title defenses, they'd seriously shoot their credibility.

I will say this, I'm down with putting Anderson vs. Sonnen on Spike, but it won't happen. The UFC doesn't put title fights on TV anymore. I wish they did, but they don't, and we should all accept that as the way it is.

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