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Stipe vs DC 3 weigh in results (august 14th, 2020)

Stipe: 233 lbs
DC: 236 lbs

UFC 249 weigh in results (may 8th, 2020)

Ngannou: 261 lbs

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If you were designing the perfect UFC heavyweight.

Would they be lean and slim like Stipe @ 233.

Or bigger, like Ngannou @ 261.
 

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I think the ideal heavyweight would be in Stipe's range but could stand to be maybe another 10 pounds heavier and still be in good condition. Before Cain started getting constantly injured he was a cardio machine and walked around in the 240 to 250 range. Any smaller then Stipe and the fighters are small for heavyweight and any larger like Ngannou and cardio and speed is sacrificed for power and strength.
 

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I'm wondering where Curtis Blaydes fits into things. He's 260'ish. Big athletic wrestler training at elevation who can wrestle hard for 5 rounds(?). Who doesn't seem able to use his size and weight to as big of a wrestling/grappling advantage as one might expect with how his fights vs Justin Willis and Alexander Vokov went.

Blaydes hasn't yet faced one of the smaller lighter heavyweights. I think all of his opponents were 250 lbs or bigger. Could Blaydes dominate a smaller heavyweight who was 230-240. More than he would a 250-260 lb HW.

Blaydes being 260 and being able to wrestle for 5 rounds (?) could be a game changer. It was assumed a 230 to 240 lb HW like Cain Velasquez could wrestle 5 rounds while a 260 lb heavyweight could not.
 

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Well the thing is he's walking around at 260 whereas fighters who have to cut down to get to 265 while not cutting as much weight as fighters in other weight classes are still a little drained. Also as you mentioned he is training at elevation so he's already got an advantage other fighters don't. As for not being able to overpower heavier guys, he's their weight.
 

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If DC didn't injure his back and retire. DC vs Blaydes might have answered questions. How good a wrestler Blaydes is and how much body weight matters in wrestling/grappling @ HW.

Wrestling specialists at lighter weight classes could be more dominant than heavyweight wrestlers for some reason that is difficult to identify.
 

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I'd say it has to do with the fact that most factors like speed, strength and power are all even in the lower weight classes so it comes down to technique at the lower weight classes and wrestlers more often have better techniques. At heavyweight does have a larger gab in terms of weight etc which may equalize things.
 
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