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Dean Lister is going to 185 and while his standup is not near Franklin, I think if the fight went to the ground its over. That goes for anyone who is going to fight Lister.

I just read on MMA Horn is leaving UFC because its worthless for him. He will get killed by Lidell and get wont fight Rich at MW because theyre friends.
 

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USMCgrappler said:
I second that. He was the best Middleweight the UFC saw.
No kidding. Ken Shamrock is a disgrace to his last name. Ryan Shamrock should be more well known but isn't. It's a dam shame Ken Shamrock is famous but Ryan isn't when Ryan is one of the greatest middleweights ever. Ryan is psycho and just laughes when you try to make him submit. He's crazy and strong as heck. I want him to join Pride and that would be killer.
 

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^^Ken Shamrock was a champion back in the day.He dominated his weight class for awhile.He does anything but disgrace his last name.

As for Ryan lol he's good.

But also as for this thread it's stupid and pointless Geremy Horn isn't even in the UFC anymore.Evan Tanner has lost to him twice so he's not getting a title shot anytime soon.

CHris Lebn,Anderson Silva,Mike Swick are contenders for that belt.
I would love to see Dave Terrell get back into the mix.He looked great in his last fight,Pulling of a clean submission.
 

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^^Ken Shamrock was a champion back in the day.He dominated his weight class for awhile.He does anything but disgrace his last name.
Ken Shamrock was the master of not continuing a tournament (either by loss or injury). He also never beat any real fighters.

Loss Rich Franklin TKO (Strikes) UFC-Ultimate Fighter Finale 4/9/2005 1 2:42
Win Kimo Leopoldo TKO (Knee) UFC 48-Payback 6/19/2004 1 1:26
Loss Tito Ortiz TKO (Corner Stoppage) UFC 40-Vendetta 11/22/2002 3 5:00
Loss Dan Severn Decision UFC 9-Motor City Madness 5/17/1996 1 30:00
Win Kimo Leopoldo Submission (Kneebar) UFC 8-David vs. Goliath 2/16/1996 1 4:24
Draw Oleg Taktarov Draw UFC 7-The Brawl in Buffalo 9/8/1995 1 33:00
Win Dan Severn Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 6-Clash of the Titans 7/14/1995 1 2:14
Draw Royce Gracie Draw UFC 5-The Return of the Beast 4/7/1995 1 36:00
Win Felix Mitchell Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994 1 4:34
Win Christophe Leninger Submission (Strikes) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994 1 4:49
Loss Royce Gracie Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 1-The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 0:57
Win Patrick Smith Submission (Heel Hook) UFC 1-The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 1:49

You tell me, in the UFC, how Ken is not a sham!!! "Hall of Fame" is a JOKE! His rediculous antics on the TUF 3 final episode was an embarassment to the sport, much less his name. I think he has a split personality. Can't wait till Tito kicks his a$# again!!
 

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USMCgrappler said:
Ken Shamrock was the master of not continuing a tournament (either by loss or injury). He also never beat any real fighters.

Loss Rich Franklin TKO (Strikes) UFC-Ultimate Fighter Finale 4/9/2005 1 2:42
Win Kimo Leopoldo TKO (Knee) UFC 48-Payback 6/19/2004 1 1:26
Loss Tito Ortiz TKO (Corner Stoppage) UFC 40-Vendetta 11/22/2002 3 5:00
Loss Dan Severn Decision UFC 9-Motor City Madness 5/17/1996 1 30:00
Win Kimo Leopoldo Submission (Kneebar) UFC 8-David vs. Goliath 2/16/1996 1 4:24
Draw Oleg Taktarov Draw UFC 7-The Brawl in Buffalo 9/8/1995 1 33:00
Win Dan Severn Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 6-Clash of the Titans 7/14/1995 1 2:14
Draw Royce Gracie Draw UFC 5-The Return of the Beast 4/7/1995 1 36:00
Win Felix Mitchell Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994 1 4:34
Win Christophe Leninger Submission (Strikes) UFC 3-The American Dream 9/9/1994 1 4:49
Loss Royce Gracie Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 1-The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 0:57
Win Patrick Smith Submission (Heel Hook) UFC 1-The Beginning 11/12/1993 1 1:49

You tell me, in the UFC, how Ken is not a sham!!! "Hall of Fame" is a JOKE! His rediculous antics on the TUF 3 final episode was an embarassment to the sport, much less his name. I think he has a split personality. Can't wait till Tito kicks his a$# again!!
Just to tell you, ken shamrock basically dominated his 2 draw fights, the only reason he wasnt awarded the win is cuz there werent any judges.
 

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Shamrock will not beat Franklin.



Well since Franklin has been droped a few time's

Mike Swick(Good submissions fast striking.)
Dave Terrell(IMproved alot has good striking and very experienced Submissions)
Anderson silva(Great techincal Striker)
CHris Leben(well rounded good chin knock out power)
 

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Eminem said:
Dave Terrell(IMproved alot has good striking and very experienced Submissions)
No, no, way. He tried his hardest against Tanner but was just dominated and Tanner tried his hardest against Franklin and was a punching bag for four rounds until the doctor stopped it. Dave Terrell will never beat Franklin, not in a million years.

Now, I think Chris Leben and Mike Swick are next in line for title shots but will lose to Franklin by KO. Submissionists don't come up good against Franklin.
 

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He lost to Evan Tanner about 2 years ago.....And i don't know if you noticed but he was way sharper then Tanner standing he even had him in a Guillotine.

Now i am not sure if he was stunned because he was just laying there taking a beating he's good off his back and he didn't use any of his skills so he must have been stunned or tired. And again that was while back.
 

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If Anderson Silva beats Leben, he'll fight Swick. If he beats Swick he'll fight Franklin. I think has a better shot than either of them.
 

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I love that people voted for Horn, everyone knows that they would never fight each other. Horn's not even in the UFC anymore because he didn't want to fight Franklin and he can't beat Liddell.
 

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I love that people voted for Horn, everyone knows that they would never fight each other. Horn's not even in the UFC anymore because he didn't want to fight Franklin and he can't beat Liddell.
Yes, but he has a better chance than anyone on that list. Infact his beaten everyone on that list. But he's also not in the UFC anymore and yes he would be first round TKO'd by Rich Franklin. But however he did his best against Chuck and it was amazing he survived four rounds of punishment. But Evan Tanner suffered four rounds of punishment worse than Horn.
 
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