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Whos The Greatest Welterweight

  • Matt Hughes

    Votes: 18 36.0%
  • George St Pierre

    Votes: 21 42.0%
  • BJ Penn

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Discussion Starter · #1 · (Edited)
This has to be between
Matt Hughes
BJ Penn
George St Pierre

I'd like to know your reasons for voting so please tell me why you voted and who for.
 

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hmm

Deff not Penn thats been proved.......but he is good....Gsp will settle this whenb he fights Hughes....so we shall know for sure then
 

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MATT HUGHES; Based on power, improvement in skills, sheer dominance of the weight class and always stepping up to fight when challenged ie; when Joe Riggs didn't make weight, he got punished with a Kimura; Frank Trigg kicks him in the seeds, MH chokes him out; when BJ Penn bloodied his face; MH crucified him and finishes with selbows; Royce Gracie tells the world that BJJ rules and UFC is his house, MH puts the lights out in the Gracie house with strikes.

Look how much he's improved from his first UFC fights up to now. I'm a big GSP fan and think he has the best shot at taking the title but until then, Matt Hughes is the best. (In My HUmble opinion of course):p
 

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Penn

I don't care what the record shows, nor will I make excuses for Penn. But as someone said in another thread, "a motivated Penn would be unbeatable."

Penn was completely out of shape for his fight against GSP. The worst I've seen him. He looked winded just walking into the octagon lol GPS didn't see the real Penn. He has a raw natural talent.
 

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I voted For GSP i believe hes the future of the Welterweight Division.

Matt Hughes is the most dominant Welterweight in UFC history but when your at the top theres only one way to go and thats down his reighn as king is coming to an end.

BJ Penn is undoutable one of the most talented fighters in the world but unfortunately theres no garantee we will see the best of BJ there doesnt seem to be any consistency with him which is a shame he couldve gone down in MMA history.
 

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Your reply sounds alot more like "FAVORITE FIGHTER"

The best fighter steps up and overscomes all challenges. BJ PEnn is IMPRESSIVE, no argument there but I dion't think he can be the best with such a mixed bag of performances.
 

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Well, Hughes has proven himself to be the most dominate so far but I really think GSP is going to win in November. I picked GSP because like I said, I believe he will take the belt and keep it for a long time.
 

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Penn is probably the most well rounded fighter in the whole sport. He beats Hughes if he doesnt get injured and he beat the living crap out of GSP and got hosed on the decision. As it was previously stated...it doesnt matter what the record shows, Penn is the best WW/LW in the UFC...or anywhere else for that matter.
 

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Penn is probably the most well rounded fighter in the whole sport. He beats Hughes if he doesnt get injured and he beat the living crap out of GSP and got hosed on the decision. As it was previously stated...it doesnt matter what the record shows, Penn is the best WW/LW in the UFC...or anywhere else for that matter.
I won't knock BJ's skills, he has them. But a big part of being the best WW is being able to BEAT the others. BJ did not beat the living crap out of GSP. The first round was his (thanks to an eye poke and a clipped tip of the nose). Then GSP squeecked out the 2nd round and dominated the 3rd. Hughes did lose the first fight, it was funny to watch. He did lose the first round of the second fight. But the rib injury to BJ cost him big.

I would say GSP is the best right now, and all he has to do is beat MH to prove it to the world.
 

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Penn is probably the most well rounded fighter in the whole sport. He beats Hughes if he doesnt get injured and he beat the living crap out of GSP and got hosed on the decision. As it was previously stated...it doesnt matter what the record shows, Penn is the best WW/LW in the UFC...or anywhere else for that matter.
bj beat gsp the first round but he lost the other two.
 

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I keep hearing: Penn would have won if he wasn't injured during the fight.

Doesn't the fact that Penn was injured in the fight with Hughes say something about Hughes? Geez! The guy blew out his ribs and stamina trying to submit an ox.

How about when Pete Spratt beat Robbie Lawler with LEG KICKS. Does that become a suspect win? Lawler called it quits because he could barely stand. Penn fought through the pain and showed a ton of courage but he was outmanouevered by Hughes and lost the fight. I'mm not even that big a fan of Hughes but you just can't logically argue the man's dominance in his weight division.

I respect Penn's heart and skill but that is what's involved with fighting at this level: Skills, Strength, Conditioning and staying healthy to finish the fight on your terms. The man has SKILLS, His Conditioning is suspect and he is definitely short on strength when stacked against Hughes. He could dominate the LW division if he would stay serious about fighting and finish his fights. Dana White said it best: Don't ever let it go to the judges because you never know how it'll go!

And for the record, I think a fighter's record does say alot about that fighter. You could be the best BJJ practitioner in the world but you have to win MMA fights to be a champion.
 

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No, that injury doesn’t say anything about Hughes. BJ injured HIMSELF because Hughes made a mistake and Penn tried to capitalize on it and ended up with a freak injury. And I wouldn’t say he blew his stamina, with that injury he could barley breath so only Penn knows if he was the least bit tired in that 3rd round. Even if he wouldn’t have injured himself, anything could have happened I’m not saying Hughes wouldn’t still have won but he was with out a doubt getting beat up until that point.
 

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I would have to say the best would be in this order.

Hughes: He is the champ and has defended his belt allot.
Bj Penn: Even though I feel GSP is the better fighter over BJ, BJ has at least became champ once.

Then finally GSP, I would normally rank GSP above BJ but GSP , regardless of how awsome he is, he has not touch gold yet, the other two have. We shall see after ufc 65 because if GSP wins, i will throw his ranking way way above BJ.
 

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I keep hearing: Penn would have won if he wasn't injured during the fight.

Doesn't the fact that Penn was injured in the fight with Hughes say something about Hughes? Geez! The guy blew out his ribs and stamina trying to submit an ox.

How about when Pete Spratt beat Robbie Lawler with LEG KICKS. Does that become a suspect win? Lawler called it quits because he could barely stand. Penn fought through the pain and showed a ton of courage but he was outmanouevered by Hughes and lost the fight. I'mm not even that big a fan of Hughes but you just can't logically argue the man's dominance in his weight division.

I respect Penn's heart and skill but that is what's involved with fighting at this level: Skills, Strength, Conditioning and staying healthy to finish the fight on your terms. The man has SKILLS, His Conditioning is suspect and he is definitely short on strength when stacked against Hughes. He could dominate the LW division if he would stay serious about fighting and finish his fights. Dana White said it best: Don't ever let it go to the judges because you never know how it'll go!

And for the record, I think a fighter's record does say alot about that fighter. You could be the best BJJ practitioner in the world but you have to win MMA fights to be a champion.
Your forgetting BJ dominated Matt Hughes the first time they fought and was doing so again. the fact that BJ hurt his rib was kust bad luck there was no mastermind plan from Matt Hughes to injure BJ's rib it was just a freak accident Matt Hughes is lucky he still has the belt.
 

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I think its easy to say now but i honestly believe if BJ Penn had turned up to fight GSP the way he did against Matt Hughes then it would not have gone to the judges i believe Penn would have won, not to underestimate GSP as i believe his standup is as good as Penns.
With those three i will give top respect to Hughes because of what he has achieved with his defences but you could not say he would never lose to either GSP or Penn.
 

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No, that injury doesn’t say anything about Hughes. BJ injured HIMSELF because Hughes made a mistake and Penn tried to capitalize on it and ended up with a freak injury. And I wouldn’t say he blew his stamina, with that injury he could barley breath so only Penn knows if he was the least bit tired in that 3rd round. Even if he wouldn’t have injured himself, anything could have happened I’m not saying Hughes wouldn’t still have won but he was with out a doubt getting beat up until that point.
Yeah. He was getting beat up and he pulled out a no injury win. BJ Penn didn't have a freak injury. He even said that he felt something pull while he was defending himself. Hughes may not have known Penn was injured but he did capitalize off of it to get the win. It seems like no one is impressed if Hughes wins unless he totally decimates somebody.
 

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I think its easy to say now but i honestly believe if BJ Penn had turned up to fight GSP the way he did against Matt Hughes then it would not have gone to the judges i believe Penn would have won, not to underestimate GSP as i believe his standup is as good as Penns.
With those three i will give top respect to Hughes because of what he has achieved with his defences but you could not say he would never lose to either GSP or Penn.
You said it all bro...You said it all!

Hughes will have his hands full with GSP. I can't wait to see this fight.
 

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A wins a win, if roles were reversed how would die hard Hughes fans react?, the injury was sustained during the fight so much as i support Penn and believed he was the better fighter that night he lost fair and square.
 

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Nobody gives credit to Coleman for beating Shogun but you give credit to Hughes for beating BJ?

GSP did a clench and pray in the 3rd. Finally got a takedown didn't land anything got caught in an omoplata. GSP got the W in the win column but he did not beat BJ.

BJ Penn is the number 1 Welterweight.:cheeky4:
 
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