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I am not a Lesnar fan (in fact I despise him, though I can objectively appreciate his talents), but I am curious if anyone that Fedor has beaten could put up a good fight against Lesner. From looking at Fedor's list of opponents I doubt that any of them could defeat Lesner. I do like Fedor, but I am not convinced yet that he is as great as suggested. He does have amazing skills and an uncanny knack for quickly reversing his fortunes in a fight, yet I don't think he has fought the best yet. The only fighter that both have fought is Heath, and we all know how that went with regards to Lesner. I also doubt that Nog could hang with Lesner.

I really can't get over the feeling that if Fedor had fought Lesner on Saturday (judging by the way he fought) he would have been in a bit of trouble. I realize that Fedor would have approached the fight differently...but I still have my doubts. That said, I would love to see Lesner eat that punch that brought down Rogers. This fight needs to happen...hopefully it will when it should.
 

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Man it's really hard to say because they are such completely different fighters. different sizes and different styles, some people just match up better with other people, but I think a majority of Fedor's opponents would have destroyed lesnar early on, but he has learned so much so fast that as of right now, I would Nog and maybe, just maybe, AA would give brock the most trouble
 

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Wow, I have never looked at it this way but honestly I think Lesnar would beat everyone on that list rather easily, if I had to pick one I would most likely go with Arlovski though. I know everyone is gonna say Nog but honestly I give Nog about a 1% chance of beating Lesnar, fact is Nog has trouble with big guys, Sapp manhandled him the entire fight using size and strenght with little or no resemblence to technique, Ricco owned Nog (don't try and sell me that Nog won that fight it was an epic screwjob) , same with Tim Sylvia, Nog survives against big guys and waits for a miracle which is not gonna be enough against somebody who has excellent top control and who has savage GnP.
 

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Definately Arlovski if Brock fails to have Confidence in his hands.
 

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You made it a point to mention their single fight in common - Heath. It took Lesnar 3 rounds and still didn't finish him, where as Fedor beat him very, very badly and the doctors had to stop the fight at the end of the first round. Huge difference.

As far as people Fedor has beaten, a prime Mirko would not only knock Brock's head off striking, but his TDD was extremely good, much like Liddell's was at LHW.

Arlovski would definitely beat Brock standing (technically), but the ground game would be all Brock.

Nog could/would get the better of exchanges on the feet, and on the ground he has great subs off his back and is very experienced, so I could definitely see him subbing Brock.

Other people on his list: Randleman, Coleman, etc, are mainly wrestlers but smaller than Brock, so it would be the classic "big wrestler vs. small wrestler" where the big one wins.

If they are all in their prime - Mirko, Nog, Arlovski (maybe). Others were wrestlers which would not fair well against the bigger wrestler in Brock.
 

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Even a prime Cro Cop in his prime would have never beat Lesnar especially not in a cage, the fact is Cro Cop was messed right up from the start due to the lateral movement a cage allows and its something his style will not now or ever was gonna adapt to.
 

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Wow, I have never looked at it this way but honestly I think Lesnar would beat everyone on that list rather easily, if I had to pick one I would most likely go with Arlovski though. I know everyone is gonna say Nog but honestly I give Nog about a 1% chance of beating Lesnar, fact is Nog has trouble with big guys, Sapp manhandled him the entire fight using size and strenght with little or no resemblence to technique, Ricco owned Nog (don't try and sell me that Nog won that fight it was an epic screwjob) , same with Tim Sylvia, Nog survives against big guys and waits for a miracle which is not gonna be enough against somebody who has excellent top control and who has savage GnP.
You give the #4 guy in the world a 1% chance against Brock? You like Lesnar more than I like Fedor.

Keep in mind, Brock struggled hard with Randy and Nog tooled randy. Just sayin.

Fighters in their prime who would give Lesnar huge problems:

Mark Hunt
Coleman
Arona
CroCop
Nog
Arlovski
Rogers
Fujita

And I think Sylvia vs Lesnar would be really interesting. I'm not sure if I give him any real odds, but it'd certainly be a different kind of match up.

What would a ZULU match look like?



Hilarious! That's what!


edit: I'd liked to add to MC's post, that Heath was in his prime when Fedor fought him and waaaaay out of his prime when Lesnar fought him.

And here's an idea: How many people that Fedor smashed would smash Mir? Mir made Lesnar tap in the first round.
 

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Yeah I have to agree as well. Lesnar should defeat most of if not all of the fighters Fedor has beat. Some of them would provide dangerous aspects in the stand up mainly but he should be able to control all of them using his size and wrestling ability. Cro Cop has pretty good TDD but no where near good enough to fend off Brock.

Lesnar is a new breed in the MMA world, he walks around at 300 lbs but is a great athlete, most guys like him went into football or something more mainstream, he is/was one of these first freak athletes to make the transition to MMA. He might lack a little of the warrior mentality that makes some fighters great but he makes up for that in physical ability.

And as for Khoveraki, Lesnar didn't struggle hard with Couture. He was winning the standup and wrestling aspects of that fight. I could see a Nog fight going similar to Mir 2 in which Lesnar takes the fight to the ground and smothers Nog taking away his submission ability.

Edit: Your argument is full of fail... Lesnar smashed Mir better then any other fighter would. That fight was like GSP vs Penn 2...

Also, Heath was never even in the Lesnar fight... Dominated the whole time and came out looking like a punching bag.
 

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Even a prime Cro Cop in his prime would have never beat Lesnar especially not in a cage, the fact is Cro Cop was messed right up from the start due to the lateral movement a cage allows and its something his style will not now or ever was gonna adapt to.
A prime Mirko would beat Lesnar. Striking he would murder Lesnar, and his TDD was extremely solid.

If you think the cage ruined his style, then it's not Lesnar that beats Mirko in your mind, it's the cage that beats Mirko.

As a fighter, as two people matching only skill, a prime Mirko was leaps and bounds above Lesnar in everything except wrestling, and even then he had amazing TDD.

If you want to argue that the cage would not allow Mirko to beat Lesnar, then that's a fault in the arena, not the fighter, as the fighter that Mirko was would destroy Brock.
 

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Brock could hardly handle a 46 year old Randy who BTW was using the same base as Lesnar with a 40 lb weight advantage.

Frank Mir....meh, really isn't that impressive. His best notable victory is against a fighter who was fresh out of the hospital for a horrible case of staff infection.

We need to see brock against more stiff competition. That's my opinion.
 

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You give the #4 guy in the world a 1% chance against Brock? You like Lesnar more than I like Fedor.

Keep in mind, Brock struggled hard with Randy and Nog tooled randy. Just sayin.
MMA Math means nothing, Randy tooled Sylvia for 5 rounds, Sylvia beat Nog right up till the minute he tapped. Im actually not a Lesar fan really he isn't even my favorite HW, (Jeff Monson is) Styles make fights and Nog has struggled against big guys with half Lesnar's athleticism, IMO history doesn't give Nog chance.

Fighters in their prime who would give Lesnar huge problems:

Mark Hunt
Coleman
Arona
CroCop
Nog
Arlovski
Rogers
Fujita

And I think Sylvia vs Lesnar would be really interesting. I'm not sure if I give him any real odds, but it'd certainly be a different kind of match up.
Hunt-Great Kickboxer mediocre MMA fighter, Lesnar would easily take him down and control him.

Coleman- Never that great and to be honest a less athletic less evolved version of what Lesnar is today.

Arona- To small,Arona's a great grappler but his MMA game has always relied heavily on control something he would never be able to do to somebody of Lesnar's size.

Nog and Cro Cop - Already been through those.

Arlovksi - Great hand speed just not sure he would be able to keep it standing, IMO the stiffest test.

Fujita - is at best a mediocre gate keeper who only made a name for himself in Japan because of his ties to Antonio Inoki, to even bring him up is laughable.
 

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Brock could hardly handle a 46 year old Randy who BTW was using the same base as Lesnar with a 40 lb weight advantage.

Frank Mir....meh, really isn't that impressive. His best notable victory is against a fighter who was fresh out of the hospital for a horrible case of staff infection.

We need to see brock against more stiff competition. That's my opinion.
I agree.

Brock has a lot of potential, but Fedor's competiton (Mirko, Nog) etc, were all in their prime and at the top of their game, and would most definitely wreck Brock's shit.
 

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Who exactly has Cro Cop fought that he showed his great take down defense against? The best wrestlers he fought were Coleman, Randleman and Barnett. All of which don't have the wrestling ability or size of Lesnar. For the most part they decided to trade striking instead of actually just using their wrestling in those fights as well.

Another thing is that fighting in the ring it is alot harder to take your opponent down then it is in a cage. Cro Cop would allow himself to get pushed up against the ropes but the ropes because of their give make it difficult to pull your opponent down. In a cage I don't think Cro Cop in his prime stands a chance against Lesnar, he would be on his back the whole fight.
 

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Nog, possible. Cro Cop, doubtful; could he stuff a takedown?
Simple answer - Yes, he could.

Brock isn't the end all and be all of takedown artists. He could barely get Randy down, who is much smaller and much older than he is. Also, Randy had Brock pinned against the cage a lot in that fight and even almost took Brock down. He took down Mir (big deal), and Herring (big deal).

I've yet to see any reason to think he could handle Mirko's TDD in his prime, especially to the extent that some are saying.
 

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Nog, possible. Cro Cop, doubtful; could he stuff a takedown?
CC was known for his excellent TDD. Like MC already stated, Mirko was very similar to Chuck with his TDD, but at HW instead of LHW.
 

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Simple answer - Yes, he could.

Brock isn't the end all and be all of takedown artists. He could barely get Randy down, who is much smaller and much older than he is. Also, Randy had Brock pinned against the cage a lot in that fight and even almost took Brock down. He took down Mir (big deal), and Herring (big deal).

I've yet to see any reason to think he could handle Mirko's TDD in his prime, especially to the extent that some are saying.
MC you are ridiculously overating Cro Cops take down defense, Lesnar took Couture down from the clinch agaisnt the cage, Randy was an Olympic alternate in Greco Roman, his ability to defend that clinch takedown is miles ahead of absolutely anything Cro Cop ever had.
 

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Yeah I guess Brock's super-advanced technically polished unbelievable wrestling would let him beat anyone in the world, ever. No one ever could stop his take downs.


He won ONE NCAA a decade ago. He couldn't control Couture. He's only ever faced two other guys in the UFC and neither were wrestlers or had good TDD.


Unbelievable this Lesnar hype. This dude has faced FOUR people in his entire career.


Okay Toxic, burden of proof. What part of which Lesnar fight showed impressive take-downs? Which opponent had equally good wrestling as Coleman, Randleman, Lindland, or Nog that Lesnar was able to take down and control?

Which guy had as good of a sprawl as prime CroCop?

There's basically only three fights to look through, but take your time.

edit to counter Toxic's above post: You mean after five minutes, Lesnar was barely able to take down a 46 year old wrestler who had a 50lb disadvantage?

That couldn't be the same guy that Nog threw around like a ragdoll, could it?
 

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Some people need to rewatch the Lesnar Couture fight. Here is a link

http://www.endofregulation.com/play/Highlights_and_Hits/Brock_Lesnar_Vs_Randy_Couture_11-15-08

See how easily Lesnar takes Couture down at 2:30? Or how he throws Couture off his back at 3:10?

Couture leans on Lesnar a fair bit but I honestly believe that is because Lesnar was respecting Couture too much and letting him do it. When he really tried he took Couture down with ease. When Couture was leaning on Lesnar there wasn't really any risk of anything except getting leanded on. When Couture nearly gets Lesnar to the ground he still couldn't do anything about it.
 
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