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Look at the card for the 11th

ULTIMATE FIGHTER 4 LIVE FINALE: NOVEMBER 11 IN LAS VEGAS

Main Card Bouts:
-Welterweight Finals of TUF 4: Matt Serra vs. Chris Lytle
-Middleweight Finals of TUF 4: Travis Lutter vs. Patrick Cote
-Michael Bisping vs. Eric Schafer
-Din Thomas vs. Rich Clementi

Preliminary Bouts:
-Martin Kampmann vs. Thales Leites
-Edwin Dewees vs. Jorge Rivera
-Pete Sell vs. Scott Smith
-Jeremy Jackson vs. Pete Spratt
-Charles McCarthy vs. Gideon Ray



Why are people like Charles McCarthy, and JACKSON, of all people getting a chance to fight for UFC again?
Can't Dana find any more talent? Come on....
 

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Because they want to give it a TUF 4 feel. Having guys from the show fight, and all that jazz.

McCarthy is fighting in a pre-lim fight, so it may not even show. I don't know what the huge deal is. Should McCarthy even be on a UFC show? Absolutely not, but they let Jason Thacker fight(As well as Mike Nickels), so McCarthy isn't all that bad.

This looks like one fun show.

Clementi vs Thomas
Serra vs Lytle
Bisping fighting.
 

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Damone said:
Because they want to give it a TUF 4 feel. Having guys from the show fight, and all that jazz.

McCarthy is fighting in a pre-lim fight, so it may not even show. I don't know what the huge deal is. Should McCarthy even be on a UFC show? Absolutely not, but they let Jason Thacker fight(As well as Mike Nickels), so McCarthy isn't all that bad.

This looks like one fun show.

Clementi vs Thomas
Serra vs Lytle
Bisping fighting.


Yeah, I guess you're right with the TUF 4 feel, I didn't think of that.
But at the very least the guy who snuck out of the house shouldn't have gotten a fight? Why throw money his way?
 

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Why are people like Charles McCarthy, and JACKSON, of all people getting a chance to fight for UFC again?
Can't Dana find any more talent? Come on....
Those are two excellent questions.

Why bother being a hardass with Jackson on the show if you're only going to give him a chance to fight anyway?
Why let Spratt fight again when he didn't improve at all?
Why let McCarthy fight when he pissed all over the show? (I know some will laud him for his 'honesty' but, really, STFU. There are probably a hundred guys who would have cut a nut off for that chance.)

I think this does sort of call into question the depth of talent available to the UFC. And ultimately, the fights on TUF4 weren't that entertaining. Why have a repeat of them?

...although I do want to see Bisping dismantle someone again.
 

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Well they pretty much do this at all the finales. The majority of the fights are usually made up of fighters from the show.
 

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Evil said:
Go Kampmann!! remember his name, youll be seeing alot of him.
Yea I remember you voting for him as the guy with the best chance to beat Silva. I knew you were a big fan good thing you saw this thread you can back me up!
 

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WouldLuv2FightU said:
You guys are all underestimating the Thales Leites vs Martin Kampmann fight!! Fight of the night right here and maybe the new main event...
never heard of them before can you tell me more ??
 

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Those are two excellent questions.

Why bother being a hardass with Jackson on the show if you're only going to give him a chance to fight anyway?
Why let Spratt fight again when he didn't improve at all?
Why let McCarthy fight when he pissed all over the show? (I know some will laud him for his 'honesty' but, really, STFU. There are probably a hundred guys who would have cut a nut off for that chance.)

I think this does sort of call into question the depth of talent available to the UFC. And ultimately, the fights on TUF4 weren't that entertaining. Why have a repeat of them?

...although I do want to see Bisping dismantle someone again.

Yeah, I like Bisbing, and I think he deserves a shot to get some fights.
But those other guys you mentioned, pfft.

Really makes me wonder about The UFC's talent scouts, I wonder how that works????
 

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Well, I'm not sure how TUF 4 finale is going to turn out! Considering how some of these guys fought on the show and the Bisping fight taken off because of Visa troubles, this night could be a snooze fest!

As much as it is unpopular to say, I think the only exciting fighter in the whole bunch now is Jeremy Jackson! C'mon, the man gave Nick Diaz a run for his money! I really don't care if he snuck out of the house as long as he puts on a good fight in the octagon!
 

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Bonnar426 said:
Well, I'm not sure how TUF 4 finale is going to turn out! Considering how some of these guys fought on the show and the Bisping fight taken off because of Visa troubles, this night could be a snooze fest!

As much as it is unpopular to say, I think the only exciting fighter in the whole bunch now is Jeremy Jackson! C'mon, the man gave Nick Diaz a run for his money! I really don't care if he snuck out of the house as long as he puts on a good fight in the octagon!

You're probably right on the exitement thing, I just don't think he should get a fight based on the fact that everyone else stuck it through.
 

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never heard of them before can you tell me more ??
Thales is 9-0 with only one fight going to a decision and fresh off a win from a very very tough Anderson Silva-like fighter named Jose Landi-Jons (Pele) who KOed Hughes early in his career.

Kampmann is 13-2 with only one fight going to a decision and most of his wins are corner/ref/doctor stoppages and TKO/KOs.
 

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I think we have to just face facts Bros! TUF has run its course and it's time for them to start combing the WORLD for fighters with interesting stories and BADASS reputations. Future TUF shows should focus on showing the viewer training and diet techniques, weight cutting and other stuff that we newbies and other fans want to see. Show us stuff that makes us learn more about the sport.

Personally, I want to see how these guys work for a spot in the big show and the things they deal with outside of the octagon in order to get into the octagon.
 

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Pogo the Clown said:
I don't that type of show would last long if they didn't have any fights on it.


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Nah G! Definitely show the fights but highlight some of the "elite" training that these guys do. I'm interested in what makes them the best and then seeing them put it on the line in the octagon. It gets boring just watching them hang out and be lazy together. The camera seemed to catch them more on down time than actually doing anything. Plus, it would be nice if they showed us some the techniques in doing a submission or some of the striking drills.

TUF1 was good because there was so much tension between everyone. Koscheck and Leben, Leben and Southworth etc. Everybody is just happy and friendly and loving everybody else. We need some drama worthy of fighters stuck in a house for 6 weeks together.
 

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Nah G! Definitely show the fights but highlight some of the "elite" training that these guys do. I'm interested in what makes them the best and then seeing them put it on the line in the octagon. It gets boring just watching them hang out and be lazy together. The camera seemed to catch them more on down time than actually doing anything. Plus, it would be nice if they showed us some the techniques in doing a submission or some of the striking drills.

TUF1 was good because there was so much tension between everyone. Koscheck and Leben, Leben and Southworth etc. Everybody is just happy and friendly and loving everybody else. We need some drama worthy of fighters stuck in a house for 6 weeks together.
I think it's a fine line SpikeTV/UFC have to walk. Your hardcore MMA fans probably aren't interested in the minor dramas inside the fighters' house, but how many of the viewers are hardcore fans? Casual fans (who are probably the bulk of the audience) would get bored if you had to watch guys pump iron, run on treadmills, and do takedown defense drills for an hour. But if there's not enough real fighting stuff, the show (and the sport) loses credibility.
 

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Why would they have Din fight Rich Clementi? Rich was horrible on the show, Din will destroy him. Don't get me wrong, I like Rich, but he's out of his league.

It'll be nice to see Bisping smash somebody. I'm really looking forward to see him in the octagon again.
 
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