[wallysworld191]

I wander, would you have a easier or harder time knocking someone out if they are heavy or light? :confused02:

no difference..

theres more knock outs at heavy weight cuz the guys are bigger and stronger.

lets say it takes 200 ibs of force to k.o. someone, well obviously the heavy weights are ganna be more likely to do that.

 

[CornbreadBB]

If you have a big head (Tito ortiz),then it will be hard to get KOED,if you got a skinny head (GSP),it will be easier to get KOED

No, didn't I say before I have a big noggin but I have been knocked out plenty of times? Size of the head has nothing to do with whether you'd be KOed or not.

I wander, would you have a easier or harder time knocking someone out if they are heavy or light? :confused02:

Bah?

 

[box]

To me, you cant train yourself to take a punch. You either have it or you don't. Sure you can train to roll with a punch, but when you get hit blind sided, some people can take that while others will pass out. Just like some people have higher pain thresholds.

 

[zoleman]

From my experience it has a lot to do with where you get hit. If you take a dozen hits to the face, you still move around, dazed, but standing. Take a well aimed blow to the chin or a clean shot to the temple and bang, good night. Size doesn't realy matter with knockouts. But you can sure as hell take more punches to safe zones if you have a more robust head. The chin is a nerve plexus, just like the solar plexus. Doesn't matter how strong you are, how big your head is. A shock to the nerves takes out the trash. Whereas the temple is the thinest bone of the skull, massive trauma there (kicks, elbows) is almost identical to hitting the brain itself. The reaction is almost instantenous lights out. These shocks can range from falling to the ground like a rock just to hop on your feet 5 seconds later, to complete and total loss of consciousness.

Of course this is only the applied science part and ppl are welcome to disagree, but if you want hard proof just browse around for videos. Karate, mma, tae-kwon-do, boxing, and observe the k.o. Unless the dude collapses from fatigue its always a hit to the temple, the chin or the solar plexus.

 

[-Jesus-]

Wanderla Silva!

Small head, Big Neck.

Ate a shit load of chucks punches last fight they had and was never knocked out.

 

[elitemmagoer]

in my experience, its about staying clm and not tensing your neck as much, you get knocked out when your brain bounces in your head and its bruised.. so im thinking if you roll more naturally it should be better.

 

[The Phenom]

The ability to take a punch is mostly mental. If you go in a fight not expecting to get hit, a punch is going to suprise you and lower self esteem wich leads to you getting pounded. A punch delivers pain, but what is pain? Pain is nothing but your body telling your mind what just happened. Push past it and train harder

 

[xeberus]

imo its up to debate.

my opinion that yes, physical size and biology is the biggest factor in how good a persons chin is. in my experience keeping your eyes open can help somewhat, now i know it sounds ridiculous but hear me out. you get hit your sense of balance is gone from your inner ear, its a scary feeling but if you see where you are that split second you can allows you to catch your footing instead of falling. who knows maybe im wrong, just in my experience.

the factors you can control are where and how hard you get hit, blocking/ducking/dodging/weaving or even choosing to take it right on the forehead. hardest punch ive ever taken i took right on the forehead, didnt even knock me down.

also ur footwork is what determines how hard you are hit, unless ur moving into their power your movements make you harder to hit and when you get hit its more likely to be glancing and less damaging

 

[ZENKI1]

There are to many factors that can determine this.. Everyone is differnt but the idea of not wanting to get KTFO is the same. You have to find what works for you. I think development at a early age helps with defining your chin. Im not saying beat the shit out of ur kid and he will have a iron chin. But I am saying the more he is exposed to ruff sports and so on will help in the long run.. Also natural pain tolerance helps to..

Like with me Ive broken 17 bones and had reconstructive knee surgery and so on.. I have a high tolerance to pain. When I was like 7 I snapped my chin into and it stabbed through my leg. More then anything it scared me being a kid but once I was in my moms car and she told me to shut up I jus looked at it and poked at it.. lol. WHen I get punched I dont really feel it in a negative way.. Im not saying I can't get knocked out cause thats not the truth I fell 6 feet once onto my head and was knocked out for like 30 seconds. . Some people can take pain better then others from personal experience ,natural ability and conditoning of there body. All in all anyone can get kocked out its jus the ability to be able to mentally muscle through that. Which in all isnt really a good thing at all.. You need a natural on and off switch so in certain sito's you do not recieve brain damage.

 

[Bloodlusting]

Once a small fridge fell on top of the back of my head and smashed my face into the floor, ive also been hit hard enough to fly off my feet and onto my ass, skidding.. but ive never been KO'd and i have a pretty small head, so i wouldnt worry about it until u actually test ur chin

 

[The Crusher]

1. Everybody is different and thus affected differently.
2. The brain floats and when it hits the skull like in some whiplashing clinch techniques it causes what is known as "flash" or "flash over" when u see a flash and are dazed. Usually happens when you get rocked but not KO'd.
3. TMJ (temporomandibular joint)... The movement of the lower jaw or "Mandible" back and upward causing the KO also known as getting hit on the "button" - see also: Dan Henderson vs Mike Bisping for reference.

Neck strength could help to keep from getting flashed in the clinch but it wont help the TMJ

 

[Squirrelfighter]

Its not a matter of head size. And in point of fact stronger neck muscles, halting the motion of your head would make it more likely you'd be knocked out. Think about Newton's laws. Your brain is not screwed in place inside your head. There's some giving room. Which means that as your head moves with yor brain, it bounces around within your head less and thus causes less trauma to the brain. But if you lock your neck and don't allow any motion, all of the kinetic energy that would have bled off as your head spun would be translated right into your brain.

Having an iron chin is more the ability to come back from a reeling punch or kick rapidly. If you get tagged and stumble around for even a moment, its over. Especially if you drop. And that's really not something you can train for. Its more of a genetic chance.

The area of impact also has a significant importance. Getting cracked on the jaw hurts and spins the head heavily, generating alot of kinetic energy. A shot to the temple immediately makes the pupils dialate, causing disorientation. Anywhere in between can cause serious trauma to the skull itself but doesn't jar the brain as much as the two afore mentioned regions.

 

[Bloodlusting]

Squirrelfighter, one crucial point of your argument makes no sense... theoretically, if you locked your muscles so your head did not spin at all and you were completely rigid, then your brain would be completely protected. In this case the force of the strike would cause your flesh and bones to take the impact.

In reality, the reflex is to roll with a connected punch, nobody is going to stand rigid and take punches to the face. The point is to have enough neck muscle to control the acceleration of your head, as long as you accelerate 'slowly' then your brain wont sustain substantial impact. Like in a car, you can be traveling at speeds of over 100km/h for example, but if a car seat came flying at you and accelerated you from 0-100 almost instantly, you die, accelerate gradually, you ride.

 

[Squirrelfighter]

Squirrelfighter, one crucial point of your argument makes no sense... theoretically, if you locked your muscles so your head did not spin at all and you were completely rigid, then your brain would be completely protected. In this case the force of the strike would cause your flesh and bones to take the impact.

In reality, the reflex is to roll with a connected punch, nobody is going to stand rigid and take punches to the face. The point is to have enough neck muscle to control the acceleration of your head, as long as you accelerate 'slowly' then your brain wont sustain substantial impact. Like in a car, you can be traveling at speeds of over 100km/h for example, but if a car seat came flying at you and accelerated you from 0-100 almost instantly, you die, accelerate gradually, you ride.

I see what you mean. Neck strength does come into play. But I know from personal experience that locking your neck really boggles the brain when you get tagged. Although it is rare that someone can lock and just not move, doing so does probably overextend the muscles so I tend to agree with your rapid is death gradual is riding though processes.

So I would guess its a matter of control of muscular movement rather than a lack of movemnt or uncontrolld movement. Though I'd rather move uncontrolled and risk whiplash then let my gray-matter bounce around.

 

[Shivers!]

There is no way to tell if you can take a punch other than to eat a couple through training and sparing or through fighting. I can eat a lot of punishment, im 5'10" and weigh 75kg so im not big, my neck isnt overly muscular. U ouldnt imagine i can take a hit. But to the contrary i have never been knocked out in an mma fight or in a mauy thai fight. The only time i have is when i crashed my dirt bike and split my helmet just about in 2.

 

[Pho3nix]

Kind of hard to say. In theory a bigger head and/or neck ought to be better, but it's no garuntee. I mean look at someone like Bob Sapp, his neck is bigger than my car, but when he gets hit hard he curls up in the fetal position and starts crying. Patrick Cote on the other hand, looks like a perfectly ordinary guy, but you could hit him 14 times with a two by four while he is asleep and he would wake up and kick your ass. I think a lot of it is just genetic/willpower.

lol bob sapp is a HUGE guy i love watching his huge self fight xD

personally the whole knockout thing for me isn't just from one punch most of the time. if you have a weak neck and your head turns or goes back alot its an extra second that they have to throw a punch before you get to see it. Having a strong neck is key in more ways than just with striking. Alot of it is tolerance for pain and how quickly you recover. i dont really think it matters how big your head is haha that sounds kind of silly